PSU Cyril Wiki:Sandbox

Sandbox Introduction

Play with things here!

Use the PREVIEW EDIT button and get a feel for what your changes in the edit window do to a page. This page is intended only for experimentation, so don't worry about messing anything up. --Beatrixkiddo 23:11, 2 April 2008 (CDT)

And here are some wiki elements to play with!

Template:Board stats 10 star force

Armor Line Stats / Board Templates

Addressed to the Permissions department whoever they are..

Greetings, I noticed it seems the Line Sheild pages have been lacking or inconsistent, So I put in abit of time coming up with a more unified template (complete with synth time / success rates which i have tested out personally) for Line boards given in the below example..

Board Stats
Photon	[[{{{???-Photon}}}]] x3	Ore	Acenaline x1
Hard material	{{{Hard Mat}}} x1	-	-
[B] Uses	5	Synth Rate	65-70%
Synth Time	0:30	[B] Used	{{{Board}}}

{{Line shield board 1-stars
|???-Photon=
|Hard Mat=
|Board=
}}

The above sample demonstrates the 1star template and it goes on until 10 stars (haven't done 11 yet). The add to further benefits this templates will allow easier to edit Shield Line pages having less to edit and you can adjust on the fly any synth changes of all the pages in one go if sega ever performs another systems adjustments on synthing. The only exception to using this template are the few Shield Lines that requires a Bio material in synth they can use an optimal alternate one.

My 2nd Suggestion is an upgrade to the Shield Line Stats template to this:

Stats
Type		DFP	{{{DFP}}}	Att	{{{Att}}}
Rarity	{{{{{rarity}}} star cell}}	EVP	{{{EVP}}}	Acc	{{{Acc}}}
Version	{{{version}}}	MST	{{{MST}}}	Tech	{{{Tech}}}
MAKER	{{{Maker}}}	END	{{{END}}}	Req	{{{Req}}}

{{Line shield stats 
|DFP=
|Att=
|rarity=
|EVP=
|Acc=
|MST=
|Tech=
|END=
|Req=
|Maker=
|version=
}}

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Data based on current server game adjustments for synths

Board Rarity	Synth Time	Success Rates	Board Uses
1★	0:30	65-90%	5
2★	0:30	63-70%	5
3★	0:30	60-70%	5
4★	1:00	58-70%	3
5★	1:00	54-68%	3
6★	1:00	52-68%	3
7★	2:00	47-64%	3
8★	2:30	44-63%	3
9★	3:00	41-61%	3
10★	3:00	50-76%	1
11★	?:00	??-??%	1
12★	?:00	??-??%	1

• Thats all i have for now I appreciate all the contributions and support, the rest is all yours. I could help on writing the new pages when the templates are finalised. Time to get some sleep for another 12 hour shift. :( Regards Natasha Milarose 08:35, 15 April 2008 (CDT)
  • Excellent! Thanks, Natasha! I've updated the template to include these values. - EspioKaos 09:10, 15 April 2008 (CDT)

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I think those with the knowledge would know by now many shield Lines add extra Stats other than the simple DFP, EVP and MST. So this new template provides that. I hope these new suggestions are not too bold. But i do have the templates written up offline and ready to go. Open to any verdicts or rejections.

Regards Natasha Milarose 00:52, 13 April 2008 (CDT)

• Mainly, I'm just bumping this up to the top of recent changes since I kind of flooded it with minor edits to a work-in-progress template. (Sorry about that. <_<) Anyway, I've been thinking recently about getting a single template set up that would use conditionals to determine the individual synthesis stats based on the entered rarity. That way, we'd only have to worry about a single template instead of multiple. But to be honest, I might be getting in a little too far over my head with that. I've successfully done the conditional template thing a few times, but my most recent attempts have not gone too well. <_<; - EspioKaos 01:59, 13 April 2008 (CDT)

• That idea sounds better and should put mine as Plan B to fall back on espio, do you have any sample of the template so far, im feeling alittle committed to the shield Line pages at the moment lol. If needed i have collected data based on the current game adjustments on Shield Line success rates (from a 0 armor PM to a 100 armor PM) and its synth times. The only things that fall out of the common equations are the 'specail' Shield lines that use Bio materials, they have their own seperate success rates. Natasha Milarose 03:14, 13 April 2008 (CDT)

• Conditionals on something like that is tough. You can't really use "If 1 then Acenaline, else if 2 then Wenceline, else if 3 than Aporaline..." because that is insanely messy. It'd really need to be more lookup-based stuff, which can be fiddly to set up within a template but that's a one-time problem. Anyway, as to your suggestion NM: You've got mixed terminology with those stats up there (Att, Acc and Tech vs. TP, DFP, EVP etc.). At this point I would just say "Since this is equipment, use the former" but there's a rarely-voiced disagreement with "which to use" and discussion on that one hasn't resolved yet. - Miraglyth 06:33, 13 April 2008 (CDT)

• (Att, Acc and Tech vs. TP, DFP, EVP etc) i remember past arguments on that before, however thats not my concern as its not finalised and i was waiting for feedback like yours.. if theres a standard on what terminology yous have set then i would use that, however I'll prob stay out of that argument and see how things play out. It's not a big deal to me which version of those terminology yous use as its all the same. Well in the JP version they only have like the one type of terminology nothing complicated. I hope this terminolgy thing isn't something that would stall this idea for a while.. Natasha Milarose 07:02, 13 April 2008 (CDT)

• Then yeah. I like this idea a lot. The line shields article used to list Att., Acc. and Tech. bonuses too, but it was taken out "because it's not important in a summary of shields for comparison, things like that are best placed in the individual articles". tbh I've never really agreed with that especially since those stats never were placed in those articles (see: Solid Line, which is essentially based on providing stats instead of slots) and many of them aren't currently documented here anymore! So yeah, it'd be a good addition, definitely. If that board table was meant to be new though, I'm not sure what's different. As to the terminology debate: I've no idea when that'll get sorted. It's something people clash on every so often but are unwilling to resolve. - Miraglyth 09:14, 13 April 2008 (CDT)

• Nothing exactly is new on the board template its based on PSUpedias original concept except that certain values are now filled out completed instead of having to edit it seperatly on each page, since i discovered the Shield/Armor lines share alittle pattern while testing it out. There for the board template on each individual page you only need to fill out 3 values instead of the 6 or 7 since contributors are always lacking in completness and only fill in like 1 out of 7 values in a template, just think of it as a template upgrade also certain rarity of the template did not exist yet(?). I'll give this alittle more time to see if espios template idea which i see as plan A grows otherwise i might push ahead with my plan B if there are no objections Natasha Milarose 18:30, 13 April 2008 (CDT)
• Alright, I've got an example ready. Really, it wasn't nearly as difficult as I thought it would be. By using the #switch function, I was able to make a template which automatically fills in materials and quantities based off of a single value, that value being the line shield's rarity. Ultimately, I'll do the exact same for the synthesis times and success rates. That's where the data you've collected comes into play, Natasha.  ;) Template:LS synth test is the template. Now, one thing I'm not certain of how to handle... the extra space. Normally this will be blank. That's easy to do; simply set a default value to be a hyphen. However, for the cell that lists the actual material name, I've hit a snag. I can set the default value as a hyphen for this, but I'm not certain of how I can allow a user to input a material name for the few cases when one is needed yet keep a hyphen when there are no extra materials (outside of requiring the user to type a hyphen). Well, without making a complete list of possible materials as acceptable entries. I'm not against doing that, but I'm sure there's got to be an easier way. Anyone know? - EspioKaos 10:02, 14 April 2008 (CDT)
• I don't understand what you're asking. Can you give a few examples? Essen 11:44, 14 April 2008 (CDT)
  • Sure. In the case of most line shields, the fourth material cell will be left blank, but on a few, there will be a fourth material which will always be a biomaterial. When it comes to naming this cell, no problem. Type Biomaterial and that's what you'll get. Leave it blank and the default value will add a hyphen. Next up is the cell to the right of that one; the one that would list what material is required along with its quantity. I'd like a way so that by default a hyphen is shown if that value is left blank, yet if you type a material name in this slot (Extra mat., I called it) that material name will appear. The snag I've run into is that when I use a switch command with a default value defined, I don't know how to make it so that whenever anything is typed in that slot, that exact name will appear in the table. As it stands now, with a default defined, no matter what is typed, the default hyphen will be displayed since there are no other parameters defined. - EspioKaos 11:56, 14 April 2008 (CDT)
    • This? Essen 12:02, 14 April 2008 (CDT)
      • I think that's it. So an if instead of a switch. (Crossed my mind, but I think I'm still uncomfortable with ifs, so I was afraid to try them again. XD) Now, is there a way to by default make a hyphen appear in that cell when nothing is typed in? Would the standard #default declaration take care of it? - EspioKaos 12:10, 14 April 2008 (CDT)
        • Like this? Essen 12:29, 14 April 2008 (CDT)
          • HUGE SUCCESS. Seems to be perfect now. Thanks, Essen!  :D Now to fill in the question marked data with Natasha's information and we should be good to go. - EspioKaos 12:31, 14 April 2008 (CDT)
            • Okay. For reference: this section, especially the end of it explaining how to differencies between undefined, empty, and stuff. Essen 12:33, 14 April 2008 (CDT)
• And now for my take on Natasha's stats template: Template:LS_stats_test. This has another one of those switch lists that will fill in the appropriate rarity color based on the rarity entered. Nothing else too terribly special about it, though. - EspioKaos 15:49, 14 April 2008 (CDT)
• talk about amazing progress :). Unfortunatly im at work now but i can sketch the information here once im home in like.. 9 hours for you espio. I'm also watching the discussion on the stat abbreviations vote. Ta-ta Natasha Milarose 18:37, 14 April 2008 (CDT)
  • That'll work. Whenever you get a chance to post the data, we can add it to the appropriate spots in the synth board template. Also, I was thinking about doing similar tables for weapons, but it might require a lot more work considering all of the different variables (weapon categories, mostly) that must be taken into consideration. I'd like to think that it's possible to have one base template, and then depending on what data is entered into it, the table's layout would update accordingly (this is mainly in reference to TECHNIC weapons which have one less stat than others), but I'm likely biting off more than I can chew. XD - EspioKaos 19:19, 14 April 2008 (CDT)
    • Oh hot, new template tricks. Yes, this'll work great for weapon templates so we can reduce the number of them we have now. I did already make one base template for weapons EspioKaos and have all other templates call that but with the switch command we'll be able to make the whole setup a lot more "clean". I may play around with this later today if no-one else does. It's always bothered me a bit to have so many templates to be honest! And hey; it's probably possible to generate the whole item stats section using a single template as well for most weapons and armor (minus the drop info, I guess). Aurly 03:16, 15 April 2008 (CDT)
    • Can help with technical details, just correctly separate the various weapons/rarity/manufacturer/... on a draft and I can help design the template itself. Essen 19:26, 14 April 2008 (CDT)
      • Cool, thanks! It doesn't look like I'm going to have time tonight (I've got to head out in a moment), but I'll try to get everything sorted out as soon as possible. - EspioKaos 19:36, 14 April 2008 (CDT)

Finding the NPC Value of an item.

This is most useful for pricing an item that is not available in an NPC store for sale in a player shop. The price the NPC store would buy the item from you is muiliplied by the item variable to give you the value of what the NPC would sell that item for.

For example: If you were to sell a monomate at the NPC store they would only pay 5 mesta. To find out what the NPC store would buy a monomate for multiply that 5 mesta by the healing items varible of 10. You get 50 meseta, which we all know is what a monomate is worth.

Item Variable (rounded to the nearest hundredth)

Weapon x 6.67 | Armor x 5.00 | Healing x 10.00 | Clothes x 100.00 | Synthesis x 20.00

--Lunezda 21:56, 31 July 2007 (BST)

• Er, I just kind of randomly stumbled in here, but actually the rate at which you can resell items to NPCs depends on the item type -- most stuff like this was included in the Meseta article in early phases. Yeah, I realize it's kind of confusing when there's topics overlapping for two main subjects (Items and Meseta) to guess where such information would be listed, and that the past choices might seem arbitrary. Anyway, just so you know. >_> - Tycho 10:21, 11 October 2007 (BST)

Bullets page (well needed update)

After having looked at the Bullets page, I came up with a few things which could be changed that might help people running on 1024x768 (recommended resolution). The main problem is the PA Fragment statistics and cost tables which may not be a problem for people with widescreen users but for others it may look very cramped. - D-Scythe

With

Weapon	LV1~10				LV11~20				LV21~30				LV31~40
	SE Lv.	Rng(m)	NoB	PP	SE Lv.	Rng(m)	NoB	PP	SE Lv.	Rng(m)	NoB	PP	SE Lv.	Rng(m)	NoB	PP
Rifle: Killer Shot	2	??	1	32(25)	3	??	1	40(32)	4	??	1	48(38)	?	?	?	?
Shotgun: Barada Maga	1	??	3	18(14)	1	??	4	24(19)	2	??	5	30(24)	?	?	?	?
Longbow: Chousei-Sou	-	??	1	12	-	??	1	15	-	??	1	18	?	?	?	?
Grenade Launcher: Boma Maga	1	9	1	90(72)	1	9	1	120(96)	1	9	1	150(120)	?	?	?	?
Laser Cannon: Mayalee Prism	-	??	1	36(28)	-	??	1	42(33)	-	??	1	48(38)	?	?	?	?
Twin Handgun: Twin Mayalee	1	??	2	18(14)	2	??	2	21(16)	3	??	2	24(19)	?	?	?	?
Handgun: Mayalee Hit	1	??	1	18(14)	2	??	1	21(16)	3	??	1	24(19)	?	?	?	?
Crossbow: Yak-Zangenga	1	??	1	12(9)	2	??	2	18(14)	3	??	3	20(16)	?	?	?	?
Throwing Blade/Card: Kyumeisei-shiki	1	??	2	28	2	??	3	32	3	??	3	36	?	?	?	?
Throwing Blade/Card: Masei-shiki	1	??	2	10	??	??	??	??	??	??	??	??	?	?	?	?
Machinegun: Mayalee Fury	-	??	1	15(12)	-	??	1	18(14)	-	??	1	21(16)	?	?	?	?

(Will obviously be expanded upon to include the new bullets but this is just a demonstration)

Weapon	Photon Art	PA Fragments	Effect
	Killer Shot	90	Incapacitate Lv2-4
	Mayalee Shot	50	Sleep Lv2-4
	Barada Chamga	25	Charm Lv2-4
	Barada Maga	60	Lowers ATA/EVP Lv1-2
	Chousei-sou	75	Extra damage and range. Slow firing rate.
	Masei-sou	75	Knockdown and Stun Lv1-2
	Boma Duranga	50	Berserk
	Boma Maga	90	Hits 1-3 targets. 100% freeze
	Phantasm Prism	25	Sleep Lv2
	Mayalee Prism	90	Blow away (Knockback)
	Twin Penetration	90	Hits multiple enemies at once with penetrating bullets
	Twin Mayalee	60	Lower DFP Lv1-2
	Penetrating Hit	90	Hits multiple enemies at once with a penetrating bullet
	Mayalee Hit	60	HP steal. Hits two targets
	Yak Zagenga	75	HP affects damage, Lv1-3 Lower HP = higher damage.
	Yak Maga	60	Lowers ATP Lv1-3
	Kyumeisei-shiki	60	HP steal Lv1-3
	Masei-shiki	60	Lowers DFP Lv1-3
	Mayalee Fury	75	Launch

Without

Weapon	LV1~10				LV11~20				LV21~30				LV21~30				Effect
	SE Lv.	Rng(m)	NoB	PP	SE Lv.	Rng(m)	NoB	PP	SE Lv.	Rng(m)	NoB	PP	SE Lv.	Rng(m)	NoB	PP
Rifle: Killer Shot	2	??	1	32(25)	3	??	1	40(32)	4	??	1	48(38)	?	?	?	?	May incapacitate.
Shotgun: Barada Maga	1	??	3	18(14)	1	??	4	24(19)	2	??	5	30(24)	?	?	?	?	Inflicts EVP/ATA down.
Longbow: Chousei-Sou	-	??	1	12	-	??	1	15	-	??	1	18	?	?	?	?	Extra damage, slower firing rate.
Grenade Launcher: Boma Maga	1	9	1	90(72)	1	9	1	120(96)	1	9	1	150(120)	?	?	?	?	Hits 1-3. 100% freeze.
Laser Cannon: Mayalee Prism	-	??	1	36(28)	-	??	1	42(33)	-	??	1	48(38)	?	?	?	?	Blow away (Knockback).
Twin Handgun: Twin Mayalee	1	??	2	18(14)	2	??	2	21(16)	3	??	2	24(19)	?	?	?	?	Inflicts DFP down.
Handgun: Mayalee Hit	1	??	1	18(14)	2	??	1	21(16)	3	??	1	24(19)	?	?	?	?	Hits two targets. Steals HP (7%, 11%, 15%).
Crossbow: Yak-Zangenga	1	??	1	12(9)	2	??	2	18(14)	3	??	3	20(16)	?	?	?	?	HP affects power.
Throwing Blade/Card: Kyumeisei-shiki	1	??	2	28	2	??	3	32	3	??	3	36	?	?	?	?	Steals HP.
Throwing Blade/Card: Masei-shiki	1	??	2	10	??	??	??	??	??	??	??	??	?	?	?	?	Def Down.
Machinegun: Mayalee Fury	-	??	1	15(12)	-	??	1	18(14)	-	??	1	21(16)	?	?	?	?	Launch