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New User, Please Help W/ Rare Monsters Chart

I'm not exactly sure how this site works, so if someone sees this and can help me out I would greatly appreciate it.

Anyways, I'm having some issues understand how to use the Rare Monsters charts. there's A-1 through A-X etc., and Block 1-3 First Spawns listed for each area. Here's what I am trying to figure out.

Let's use Sleeping Warriors, Left Stairs Route, for an example.

~~ For A-1 "Block 1 - Block 3 First Spawn", what does that mean? Does it mean something like, "first spawn in first room" for Block 1, then "first spawn for 2nd room", and "first spawn for 3rd room"?

I thought that this referred to the first spawns in first room with enemies in Block 1, first spawns in first room with enemies in Block 2, and first spawns in first room with enemies in Block 3. --Seikas2 17:16, 1 January 2007 (CST)

~~ For the A-1 through A-X then, I understand they are different variations, but do you have to get A-X, B-X, and C-X to get rare enemies? Or let's say you get A-X on Block 1 of your run or even Block 2 of your run, theoretically you should automatically get Rappies just because A-X was your Block 1? Or like I said, do you need multiple Block-X's?

The different A-, B-, and C- layouts are different map orders for the entire mission, with -1, -2, -3, and -X as different patterns of monster spawns. That is, if you don't encounter the "Block 1 First Spawn" in Block 1, "Block 2 First Spawn" in Block 2 and so on for an -X pattern, you probably won't encounter rare monsters. --Seikas2 17:16, 1 January 2007 (CST)

Please let me know, so I can edit the Rare Monsters chart accordingly. I have some variations not posted.

Shadow Hado 05:19, 1 January 2007 (CST)Nate

Rares

• Do the boss Rares have a seperate Map than the typical Rare maps? Kitomi 15:37, 25 December 2006 (CST)
• I don't think they're related. I didn't completely understand the explanation from the Bible though (which is basically non-existant, since it only gives a table DX). Guess someone would need to try it out for a bit (whether or not after the tables get posted). - Tycho 17:01, 29 December 2006 (CST)

Confused

This is a little confusing to me. Can anyont make it easier to understand in laymans terms? --JubeiSaotome 21:45, 13 December 2006 (PST)

• What all is confusing? Thanks for the pictures too, that helps make it easier for people! Same with formatting. I'm new to using wiki things...

• • I just got confused by the spawn listings, I was thinking they were all spawns that showed the rappies, it wasn't until a friend showed me how, then I understanded the X route is the one with the rappies. I'll continue to add pics and upate it for you. Thanks though, awesome work. --JubeiSaotome 22:32, 13 December 2006 (PST)
    • Its something that isn't on the English version that will become very important to know, so I'm translating it over. Thanks for making it easier for english speakers to read! Fiethron 22:34, 13 December 2006 (PST)

T-Intersection

That T Intersection bit is a bit iffy. Think we need a picture to clarify what way the first mob of that block is located at? Possibly a gallery image set for "Main locations" within a mission that need to be noted? --JubeiSaotome 03:00, 14 December 2006 (PST)

I can take a picture...but I'm not sure how to add the picture to the server....the intersection is like a T. You go straight, but then can only go left or right, not straight anymore.

Issues with runs

I just did a correct run of the Left Turn Route and I had no rappies appear at all. All the flags were there. Is there any other requirements to make them appear? --JubeiSaotome 04:04, 14 December 2006 (PST)

• Are you sure block 3 was 3 delsaban and 2 pannon? B-1 and B-X are very similar, but if they are that similar, then maybe we need to add another + to block 1. Fiethron 11:07, 14 December 2006 (PST)

• * Pretty sure it was, but maybe I'm wrong. --JubeiSaotome 16:39, 14 December 2006 (PST)

• ** I have had the same problem and i printed out the page to make sure the spawn was correct i also noticed that I never got the B-1 set so could it be possible that they were switched by mistake? Nascarfan38124 19:07, 28 December 2006 (CST)

• *** I just did 3 B-X runs counting the pannons and delsabans so I know that the rappies aren't on it. Maybe on B-1 but I've never gotten it. --Aethir 3:16, 30 December 20006 (CST)

-- You weren't getting the B-X runs then, you did 3 B-1 runs. The difference between B-1 and B-X doesn't show till you get to block 3.

-- Either they were B-X or the page is wrong. The spawn counts were accurate to the B-X list so either they were B-X and B-1 is correct or they were just mislisted on the page. --Aethir 11:51, 31 December 2006 (CST)

-- You are absolutely sure that the first room in Block 3 immediately spawned with 3 Delsabans and 2 Pannons, not 2 Delsabans and 3 Pannons? I did over a hundred runs, and probably 30+ were B-1 runs, only got B-X once, and it had rappies, so I find it difficult to believe you repeatedly got the B-X spawn set AND it was wrong.

I just did Valley of Carnage S with the B-X spawn pattern and didn't get any Jao. Can anyone confirm that one is correct? --Ras 04:37, 15 December 2006 (PST)

For block 2 of valley of carnage, the enemies listed need to have a sword and shield icon. Also, it needs to spawn as 3 Vanda, and then 2 more, and then 2 more. All with sword and shield.

"Train track room"?

Can someone please clarify for me which room this phrase refers to? Is it the dead end room where the Key drops, or is it the room before that, with the platform with the barrels on it? I'm referring to the C-X spawn set, by the way.212.32.77.163 13:34, 14 December 2006 (PST)

Train track room is the room where the key is. The other map which just has train tracks is the actual track part. So for C-X, it is the small room. Fiethron 06:39, 15 December 2006 (PST)

• Do you mean the room with the small path down onto the tracks or the T-junction's right side where it has around 3 sets of mobs spawn, which overlooks the train tracks? --JubeiSaotome 06:43, 15 December 2006 (PST)

• the room onto the tracks where the key spawns... --Dark Dajin 14:53, 25 December 2006 (CST)

Amure?

• What is the kana for this name? Given that it is suggested they appear at Valentines, wouldn't a more logical guess at the names be 'amour'? Or 'amore'? Sega liek French (see PSO EPIV) so they might like Italian too. Mewn 12:04, 15 December 2006 (PST)
• アムレ, ノエル, ラタン, パスカ, アクテ, ソニチ. So yeah, it's not because I'm completely illiterate or anything; I did get the references. Some company still fails at languages though! - Tycho 15:09, 15 December 2006 (PST)

Unsafe Passage B-X

So will the first spawn of block 1 only have 3 pannons and no respawns? I'm sort of confused.

-Can someone Answer this, im confused on this one also.

-Yeah B is a little unclear with the spawns. 3 of the variants start with 3 pannons.

--I spent a while doing LL runs and finally figured out the B-set of maps. B-X is annoying to identify. First, if you go into the first room and there are three pannons, you're on a good start. Kill them, more will spawn. Go to the back part of the room (around the corner but not through the door); if delsabans spawn, you have the wrong set. If it's more pannons, you are in either B-X or B-1. Unfortunately, the block two spawns are the same, so you have to go to block three. But you can skip the enemies down the right path in Block 2.

VoC woes

Para from HongFire.com says: I just tested the Jao C-X spawn pattern and it didn't give me a Jao.. needs more testing and another confirmation?

--Are you sure you didn't get C-1? It seems like Sega made one spawn pattern for each map almost identical to the rare spawn pattern. I've been trying to get Jaos too, and have had no luck either.

No I didn't get C-1. I counted the Vandas and they added up to the C-X spawn number.

-- I think the C-1 spawn count for block 2 might be wrong. I've never seen 3-3 spawn before, always 3-2-2, and I've never seen Jaos spawn. Also, it seems all the other block 2's that spawn with vandas first spawn 3-2-2, never 3-3.

Para: I just got another C-X spawn type with no Jao. I believe the current article on C-X is definitely incorrect and someone needs to determine the right one. It could be possible that the 3-3 Vanda Spawn in Block 2 is the real C-X?

Para: Hmm I just had a spawn today that was C-X and it had Jaggos... There must be something else that can distinguish between the two...

--If thats the case, and there *is* a 3-3 Vanda spawn in Block two of the C map set, then there are more than 3 mundane maps

+If you track the actual creature spawns, you will find that there are two different spawn sets that have a total of 7 vandas - there is the elusive 3-2-2 spawn set, and there is a 3-3-1 spawn set. The best way to tell which one you are getting is to make sure you kill all the vandas on each set at the same time. The issue is that if you don't kill them at the same time, they spawn at varying intervals making it difficult to distinguish what pattern you are getting.

• • Does the A-X map work for VoC or is it broken? I finally gave up on C-X as I got the 3-2-2 spawn many times without any Jaos.

I did the C-X with the 3-2-2 spawn many times and didn't see an jaggos. My character is level 60 so 99 % of the time I killed the 3 first vanda at the same time, then two spawn and then 2 more and no Jaggo at all. I've been trying it for many days now and didn't see any jaggo with that map . If possible, I would like clarification on the C map. I see no difference in c-1 and c-x by the way, both show 3 jisharaga in the first block and then 3 vanda with sword and shield, 2 vanda with sword and shield + 2 vanda with sword and shield in block 2

• I've run all 3 x runs numerous times and yet to see a jao... is xmas time changing the appearance of these now??? -Battoh

Jaggo Hunting

Are the S rank layouts for rare monsters the same as A-X? These punks keep escaping me on S. >:

Sleeping Warriors

What is the pattern to A-x? Nothing is listed. [edited 1/2/07]. When we get B-x or C-x we have no problems until the 3 Badira when you go down the stairs on 2nd block. I'm still unable to confirm those myself.

• Been trying as hard as I can to figure it out, have had no luck with getting A-X. Haven't even been able to confirm the info I got on B-X and C-X. :x --Cerria 03:15, 1 January 2007 (CST)