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| − | To help save space and make browsing this page easier, older discussions will be archived [http://psupedia.info/Manual_of_style_archive here]. | + | To help save space and make browsing this page easier, older discussions will be archived [[The PSUPedia:Manual_of_style_archive | here]]. |
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| − | ==Open polls== | + | == Open polls == |
| − | ===VOTE: Main weapon listing table===
| + | None. |
| − | And another one. (One of these days I'll take the time to use the actual poll tags, but in the meantime, this will work.) As with some of the previous polls, this one is more or less a ''yea'' or ''nay'' kind of thing. I haven't gotten any negative opinions on this layout after making a few discussed modifications, but I want to make its standardization official. As before, bold you choice and follow it up with your signature. If you vote ''other'', please submit your own proposal. If a new proposal is made and it sways your vote, please feel free to update accordingly.
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| − | *[http://psupedia.info/The_PSUPedia_talk:Manual_of_style#Weapon_listing_table Proposal #1]
| + | == Closed polls == |
| − | *Other; please elaborate.
| + | Please see [[The_PSUPedia:Manual_of_style_archive#Closed_polls | this page]] for the archive of closed polls. |
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| − | Voting will be open from now until 12:00a.m. Wednesday, August 22. [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 00:21, 16 August 2007 (BST)
| + | == New template proposals == |
| − | * '''Proposal #1''' [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 00:21, 16 August 2007 (BST) | + | I'd like to formally propose the following templates for use with our articles on weapons, line shields and units. |
| − | * '''Proposal #1'''. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 11:08, 16 August 2007 (BST) | + | * [[Template:Weapon stats test]] |
| − | * '''Proposal #1:''' - For once, no real objections. But perhaps the "JP/unavailable" colours could do with a slight bleaching. - [[User:Miraglyth|Miraglyth]] 18:30, 16 August 2007 (BST) | + | * [[Template:Weapon synth board]] |
| − | **Perhaps so. I've been changing these to color templates in the tables over the past few days, so if/when we do change anything, it will only require one simple edit as opposed to some ridiculously large number of them. ;) [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 20:10, 16 August 2007 (BST) | + | * [[Template:Weapon synth board (Kubara)]] |
| − | *** True, but people will need to agree on it nontheless, which is proving a time-consuming process! - [[User:Miraglyth|Miraglyth]] 17:25, 17 August 2007 (BST) | + | * [[Template:LS stats]] |
| | + | * [[Template:LS synth]] |
| | + | * [[Template:Grinding info test]] |
| | + | * [[Template:Pricing info test]] |
| | + | * [[Template:Unit stats]] |
| | + | And as an example, the [[Bow Genshi]] article is using all applicable templates. Going by the ideas that have been thrown around here and with the help of numerous people, these templates have been designed based on the idea of allowing as much automation as possible. Stat tables will update their layout depending on what type of weapon it's for. Where feasible, material quantities and types can be determined by an item's manufacturer and rarity and sell prices for items can be calculated with a simple equation using the item's buy price (when entered). The grinding info table has been updated to allow a single template to change based on the weapon type it's being used for. For example, identifying a table for an RCSM will change the attack variable to Tech. while the values for PP will all be filled in with hyphens.<br/> |
| | + | So what do you guys think? - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 10:25, 18 April 2008 (CDT) |
| | + | * I like the idea, but to be absolutely honest, these things confuse the hell out of me. That said, I'm sure I could figure them out if I needed to use them/had the time to look at the parameters more closely. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 16:57, 18 April 2008 (CDT) |
| | + | ** Some of those pages I need to go back over and expand on the parameter values and what to do with them. That should maybe clear some things up. :) - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 17:58, 18 April 2008 (CDT) |
| | + | * It'll be hell to convert all pages but that's a pretty nice work. [[User:Essen|Essen]] 16:59, 18 April 2008 (CDT) |
| | + | ** If we go with them, we could always just use them for any new pages that we create and then work our way back over older articles and make conversions at our leisure. I wouldn't see much rush since aesthetically everything is pretty much the same. (A few small changes, but nothing that really sticks out.) And thanks again for the help. You helped introduce me to some awesome template functions that I've had a lot of fun playing with. XD - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 17:58, 18 April 2008 (CDT) |
| | + | * Holy whoa. I love these! - [[User:Miraglyth|Miraglyth]] 18:52, 19 April 2008 (CDT) |
| | + | * Cool, so I take it no major objections or anything. I'd like to start using these to work on some more weapon/line shield pages, so I think I'm going to move some over from the "test" name and commence conversion. (Normally I'm not too eager to work on the weapons pages since they can be quite time consuming, but with the tests I did with these, I found myself flying right through them.) - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 21:41, 21 April 2008 (CDT) |
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| − | ==Capitalization== | + | == User Page Guidelines == |
| − | * I'd like to get a little discussion going on [http://psupedia.info/Manual_of_Style#Capitalization this subject]. While I've listed most "odd" instances of capitalization in-game (''TECHNICs'', ''CASTs'', ''GUARDIANS Colony'', etc.), I think we should talk about how we'll capitalize things like healing item names (should they be considered proper nouns?). Thoughts, opinions? [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 17:17, 21 August 2007 (BST)
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| − | ** I think item names should be capitalized as proper nouns, if for no other reason than it looks better to me. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 17:34, 21 August 2007 (BST)
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| − | *** I've been torn between both sides for a while, but after looking at how odd things like ''scape doll'' and ''moon atomizer'' look without capitals, I've found myself leaning more toward considering them proper nouns. Of course, I still think that individual item categories (recovery items, shotguns, line shields, etc.) should not be considered proper, and thus should not be capitalized. [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 18:48, 21 August 2007 (BST)
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| − | ==Unit tables== | + | I'm still supportive of the user pages being open to what a person wants to put on it, but I have a few suggestions for possible requirements. One is that user pages shouldn't be categorized. This includes categories that don't and do exist. The others mostly concern links. If a user is going to link to a page, it should either exist or at least have a consistant spelling with a page that should exist (but hasn't been created yet). If the page has had it's link changed (or is different because of confirmed localization) and they know, they should update accordingly. Well...basically they should be aware of what's in red on their page and see if any of it is justified. If not, they should either correct the spelling or drop the link. It's going to become more and more of a problem for people working through the wanted pages. I've come upon countless situations myself where either something that's being linked shouldn't ever exist or is spelled wrong. It wouldn't matter much, but it would make it far easier to keep things clean and figure out what's needed instead of trying to sort through the current mess. [[User:S-T-H|S-T-H]] 03:38, 15 July 2008 (CDT) |
| | + | * I agree with your points but in the case of the links I wonder if a redirect wouldn't just do the job? It's going to be difficult to keep an eye on everyone linking to things on their user page. On another note, I wonder if we should consider making a welcome template to put on people's userpages after they make their first edit. It can have stuff like 'Don't make a billion consecutive edits' (since people seem to miss that, or ignore it) and other pointers. Thoughts (and sorry if I'm hijacking this, STH)? - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 15:33, 20 July 2008 (CDT) |
| | + | ** If you go to [[Special:Wantedpages]] you might be able to see better what I mean. Not counting the AOTI and PSP stuff that now appears at the end, the farther in you get the more nonsense you'll probably see. I have no problem with redirecting to obvious things, even though I wouldn't want too many redirects and that stuff usually redirects properly anyway (ie why redirect to a one off that's obviously wrong). The stuff that is an issue are things that are linked for no apparent reason whatsoever. It actually wouldn't be very difficult keeping track as long as Wanted Pages gets cleaned up. As for the welcome template I do agree. Oddly enough I think it was Amaury that brought something like that up in the forums. I'm guessing this would be something automatic? The only real reason I'm bringing this up is that Wanted Pages has been quite useful and can even be more useful in the future. It's just that it needs to be cleaned up in a way that isn't possible for most users (since it involves user pages). The only other solution I see is somehow excluding user pages from having an effect on what pages are listed as needing to be created. Maybe the search filter options could somehow be added to more special pages (so that it would be possible to see what's needed for psp or aoti pages specifically as well). [[User:S-T-H|S-T-H]] 20:47, 20 July 2008 (CDT) |
| | + | * Hm, yeah I see what you mean about the wanted page. And no, the template wouldn't be automatic, I don't think there's a way to do it automatically without upgrading our mediawiki or installing an extension. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 05:33, 21 July 2008 (CDT) |
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| | + | == Use of wiki templates == |
| | + | Pre-made templates should always be used to save space and make writing articles easier. The following table compiles all templates that are currently in use at the PSUPedia and displays their effects to the right. |
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| | + | Aside from these templates, numerous larger templates have been created for use within articles for stat and information tables. A list of these can be found [[The_PSUPedia:Article_templates|here]]. |
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| | + | == New makeup for manual of style icons == |
| | + | You have the choice which is better yours or mine :) I won't edit anything big at the "front pages". |
| | + | * I think it looks good. I don't think you should worry too much about changing things like layout when it really doesn't affect the content, so cutting the charts into sections for space is probably fine. Remember to sign your comments too. --[[User:S-T-H|S-T-H]] 11:49, 22 November 2009 (UTC) |
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| − | ! Rank !! Name !! Maker !! Tech. !! Ment. !! Ver. !! Comments | + | ! What you type || What you get |
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| | + | | <code><nowiki>{{Sword icon}}</nowiki></code> || {{Sword icon}} |
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| | + | | <code><nowiki>{{Knuckles icon}}</nowiki></code> || {{Knuckles icon}} |
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| | + | | <code><nowiki>{{Spear icon}}</nowiki></code> || {{Spear icon}} |
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| | + | | <code><nowiki>{{Double saber icon}}</nowiki></code> || {{Double saber icon}} |
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| | + | | <code><nowiki>{{Axe icon}}</nowiki></code> || {{Axe icon}} |
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| | + | | <code><nowiki>{{Twin saber icon}}</nowiki></code> || {{Twin saber icon}} |
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| | + | | <code><nowiki>{{Twin dagger icon}}</nowiki></code> || {{Twin dagger icon}} |
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| | + | | <code><nowiki>{{Twin claw icon}}</nowiki></code> || {{Twin claw icon}} |
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| | + | | <code><nowiki>{{Saber icon}}</nowiki></code> || {{Saber icon}} |
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| | + | | <code><nowiki>{{Dagger icon}}</nowiki></code> || {{Dagger icon}} |
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| | + | | <code><nowiki>{{Claw icon}}</nowiki></code> || {{Claw icon}} |
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| − | | {{Color-C}} rowspan="2" | 1★ | + | | <code><nowiki>{{Whip icon}}</nowiki></code> || {{Whip icon}} |
| − | | [[Cara / Force]] || {{Logo-Y}} || 20 || 0 || {{PSU version}} || --
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| − | | [[Cara / Mind]] || {{Logo-Y}} || 0 || 10 || {{PSU version}} || -- | + | | <code><nowiki>{{Slicer icon}}</nowiki></code> || {{Slicer icon}} |
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| − | ! Rank !! Name !! Maker !! Tech. !! Ment. !! Ver. !! Comments
| + | | <code><nowiki>{{Rifle icon}}</nowiki></code> || {{Rifle icon}} |
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| − | | {{Color-B}} | 6★
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| − | | [[Te / Force S]] || {{Logo-Y}} || 100 || -50 || {{PSU version}} || --
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| − | ! Rank !! Name !! Maker !! Tech. !! Ment. !! Ver. !! Comments
| + | | <code><nowiki>{{Shotgun icon}}</nowiki></code> || {{Shotgun icon}} |
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| − | | {{Color-A}} | 9★ | + | | <code><nowiki>{{Longbow icon}}</nowiki></code> || {{Longbow icon}} |
| − | | [[Te / TECH PP Save]] || {{Logo-Y}} || -30 || 0 || {{PSU version}} || Lowers PP usage and TP.
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| − | |} | + | | <code><nowiki>{{Grenade icon}}</nowiki></code> || {{Grenade icon}} |
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| − | This is the general idea for unit tables. Of course, we'll swap out ''Tech'' and ''Ment'' with ''Att'', ''Acc'', ''Def'', ''Eva'' and ''End'' where applicable. Anything else we should add? [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 03:07, 18 August 2007 (BST)
| + | | <code><nowiki>{{Laser cannon icon}}</nowiki></code> || {{Laser cannon icon}} |
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| − | Just wanted to add that I've done the initial conversion of the tables for both online and offline. You can find it [[User:Propagandist/Sandbox/Units|here]], I'll keep it updated with any suggestions/changes until the format is finalized. [[User:Propagandist|Propagandist]] 04:56, 18 August 2007 (BST)
| + | | <code><nowiki>{{Twin handgun icon}}</nowiki></code> || {{Twin handgun icon}} |
| − | *Excellent work! :D Two things. First, a few of the offline S-rank units are identified with the A-rank green. Minor, I know. ;) Second, in a few of the comments sections, it might look better with commas or semicolons separating two descriptions (Hard / Power Charge, for example). Or maybe line breaks. [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 05:06, 18 August 2007 (BST)
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| − | **Thanks, I wasn't able to check on those as I was at work. Now that I'm home, I'll go through and double check all of the units to make sure it's accurate. I've also a few ideas for the comments that I want to try out. I'll note any major updates on this talk page. [[User:Propagandist|Propagandist]] 05:45, 18 August 2007 (BST)
| + | | <code><nowiki>{{Handgun icon}}</nowiki></code> || {{Handgun icon}} |
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| − | [http://psupedia.info/SEED_Awakened This] is what I have in mind for individual mission articles. Of course, fill in the enemy and drop sections with actual information. Opinions? Suggestions? [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 00:08, 17 August 2007 (BST)
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| − | * I suggest an infobox (à la Wikipedia) to the side showing at least the following things:
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| − | ** Mission name (maybe JP name as well, since there is a large difference between the two in many cases)
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| − | ** Start Counter
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| − | ** Destination
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| − | ** Area(s) that the mission takes place in (e.g. Mad Creatures takes place in Raffon Meadow, Mad Beasts in Raffon Lakeshore etc.)
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| − | ** Type of mission (Free, Story, Co-Op, Party, Event)
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| − | ** Available ranks
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| − | ** Elements represented in the mission. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 12:03, 17 August 2007 (BST)
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| − | I'll see if I can take a shot at making a design like this when I have a chance. (Sometimes tables just don't come out like I want, though, so no promises. XD) [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 03:36, 18 August 2007 (BST)
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| − | ==Weapon listing table==
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| − | And now we have a complete proposal for the tables used to list weapons. Really, the only thing that's changed is the addition of the column used to identify items exclusive to the expansion (thanks for the icons, F Gattaca and Qwerty!).
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| − | ! Rank !! Name !! Maker !! PP !! Att. !! Acc. !! Req. !! Ver. !! Comments
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| − | | {{Color-C}} rowspan="3" | 1★ | + | | <code><nowiki>{{Crossbow icon}}</nowiki></code> || {{Crossbow icon}} |
| − | | [[Sample]] || {{Logo-G}} || 230 || 72 || 42 || 27 || {{PSU-version}} || --
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| − | | [[Samplesou]] || {{Logo-Y}} || 260 || 64 || 38 || 29 || {{PSU-version}} || -- | + | | <code><nowiki>{{Card icon}}</nowiki></code> || {{Card icon}} |
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| − | | [[Shigga Sample]] || {{Logo-T}} || 200 || 76 || 45 || 30 || {{PSU-version}} || Drop: [[Sample Monster]] Lv01~09 | + | | <code><nowiki>{{Machinegun icon}}</nowiki></code> || {{Machinegun icon}} |
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| − | ! Rank !! Name !! Maker !! PP !! Att. !! Acc. !! Req. !! Ver. !! Comments
| + | | <code><nowiki>{{RCSM icon}}</nowiki></code> || {{RCSM icon}} |
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| − | | {{Color-B}} | 4★ | + | | <code><nowiki>{{Rod icon}}</nowiki></code> || {{Rod icon}} |
| − | | [[Sample Mk. 2]] || {{Logo-G}} || 333 || 302 || 149 || 164 || {{AotI-version}} || --
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| − | | {{Color-B}} rowspan="2" | 6★ | + | | <code><nowiki>{{Wand icon}}</nowiki></code> || {{Wand icon}} |
| − | | [[Sample Mk. 3]] || {{Logo-G}} || 356 || 450 || 212 || 266 || {{PSU-version}} || --
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| − | | [[Samplesou Mk. 2]] || {{Logo-Y}} || 403 || 402 || 189 || 281 || {{AotI-version}} || --
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| − | ! Rank !! Name !! Maker !! PP !! Att. !! Acc. !! Req. !! Ver. !! Comments
| + | | <code><nowiki>{{TCSM icon}}</nowiki></code> || {{TCSM icon}} |
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| − | | {{Color-A}} | 7★ | + | | <code><nowiki>{{Line shield icon}}</nowiki></code> || {{Line shield icon}} |
| − | | [[Shigga Sample Mk. 2]] || {{Logo-T}} || 340 || 553 || 253 || 325 || {{PSU-version}} || Drop: [[Sample Monster]] Lv80~99
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| − | ! Rank !! Name !! Maker !! PP !! Att. !! Acc. !! Req. !! Ver. !! Comments
| + | | <code><nowiki>{{Head unit icon}}</nowiki></code> || {{Head unit icon}} |
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| − | | {{Color-S}} | 10★ | + | | <code><nowiki>{{Arm unit icon}}</nowiki></code> || {{Arm unit icon}} |
| − | | [[Shigga Sample Mk. 3]] || {{Logo-T}} || 380 || 732 || 373 || 488 || {{PSU-version}} || Drop: [[Sample Monster]] Lv100+
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| − | | {{Color-S}} | 12★
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| − | | [[Shigga Samplec]] || {{Logo-K}} || 300 || 625 || 618 || 617 || {{PSU-version}} || Still unreleased in JP.
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| − | Opinions? [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 20:43, 14 August 2007 (BST)
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| − | **Quick adjustment. Changed the '''Att.''' and '''Acc.''' columns to '''ATP''' and '''ATA'''. [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 20:54, 14 August 2007 (BST)
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| − | ***I'm so damn indecisive. Changed it back since the in-game windows list weapon stats by '''Att.''', '''Acc.''', '''Tech.''', etc. [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 19:31, 15 August 2007 (BST)
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| − | **** Good thing, too. - [[User:Miraglyth|Miraglyth]] 18:27, 16 August 2007 (BST)
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| − | *****Implying something? [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 20:11, 16 August 2007 (BST)
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| − | ****** That's what they are in the game, is all. - [[User:Miraglyth|Miraglyth]] 05:04, 18 August 2007 (BST)
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| − | ****Something possessed me today to work on updating these tables throughout the site. It's actually been really fun, too. Anyway, just wanted to say that if the final outcome of the vote on this design changes anything, I will personally go through and make any necessary adjustments since I've begun implementation ahead of schedule. [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 00:47, 16 August 2007 (BST)
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| − | ==Weapon template standard proposal==
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| − | *Qwerty, Beatrix and myself have come to a consensus on which weapon template we prefer: [http://psupedia.info/User:Qwerty/Sandbox/Weapon_Page/Final this one]. Any objections? The whole decision process on this matter is taking a lot longer than we'd hoped, so we're just trying to speed things along. [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 19:25, 12 August 2007 (BST)
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| − | *Yes, this particular issue has taken too long. I have no particular objections. If there is enough objection a vote will have to be set up, but I don't forsee that. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 19:32, 12 August 2007 (BST)
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| − | *Just one tiny thing. 'Base rate' is mostly useless information; I'd rather see the chance it has on a pure PM. Perhaps both but people don't usually synth guns on armor PMs so... [[User:Au+|Au+]] 21:43, 14 August 2007 (BST)
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| − | **Maybe we could detail increased rates later in each article? Or, an expansion of the synthesis article could include pure and hybrid rates. [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 03:38, 18 August 2007 (BST)
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| − | *Since our S-rank listing is using a darker red to point out items that have not been released in any version of the game, shouldn't our new weapon table do the same? Or is there a reason that it uses a lighter shade of red? [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 03:49, 4 August 2007 (BST)
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| − | ** I believe the notion was that it was too dark/bold for general use in other temples but let me mess around with it, and see how it looks. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 05:40, 4 August 2007 (BST)
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| − | ***Any updates on this end? ;) [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 19:14, 7 August 2007 (BST)
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| − | *** Yeah, I was wondering this myself. The sooner finalized templates can be shown by the both of you, the sooner we can vote on them and institute a standard. Oh, by the way, something neither of you seem to have considered at the moment is AoI - if you are working on your templates at all you might want to add a place to put which versions of the game an item is available on, for future use. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 21:23, 7 August 2007 (BST)
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| − | **** Perhaps we can make the text for the item name yellow...while still retaining it as a link to its own article. Not sure if this is possible, or if it'd even look good though. But a seperate coloumn would probably be a lot easier anyways. - [[User:Saiffy|Saiffy]] 21:36, 7 August 2007 (BST)
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| − | ****I'll see if I can mess around with the tables some to add a column for ''AotI''-exclusive items. Same for the individual item templates. On that, I'm trying to come up with some ideas for templates on other non-weapon stuff like traps, materials and consumables. I'll try to get some things done on that as soon as possible. [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 21:59, 7 August 2007 (BST)
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| − | ****OK, [http://psupedia.info/User_talk:EspioKaos#Weapon_template_test here we go]. I quickly added in a column before the comments section to display which version of the game an item is from. As I state in my notes there, I think the italics look a little silly, but I don't want to make a double-standard since game titles are supposed to be italicized anyway. Perhaps we could use a small icon similar to the manufacturer icons? [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 00:41, 8 August 2007 (BST)
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| − | **** For tables, I suggest we do use something like a very pale yellow as Saiffy suggested, or put in the extra column as Espio did. Alternatively, we could use a very small icon to denote AotI-only things in tables and lists. For articles addressing a bunch of AotI-only content, I suggest we just use something like below. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 06:16, 8 August 2007 (BST) {{AotI Only}}
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| − | **** Me again. [[User:Qwerty/Sandbox|Here is an example]] of two possible ways to denote an AotI item/quest/whatever in tabular/list form. As noted there, I'm more so fond of the little icon ([[image:aotionly.png]]), as it can be more widely applied. Also, too many varying colors in a table is both hard to remember and confusing to the lay reader. Anyway, comments plx. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 06:50, 8 August 2007 (BST)
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| − | **** I prefer the column directly stating PSU or AoI, it'd be good for any future expansions, and the colour has the flaw of not telling us if the item is released or not. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 11:14, 8 August 2007 (BST)
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| − | *Check [http://psupedia.info/User_talk:EspioKaos#Weapon_template_test this out]. I opted for a scaled down version of the ''Illuminus'' logo as opposed to the exclamation point from the beta. I just like it better. ;) Now we'll need a logo for just the base game. [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 20:07, 8 August 2007 (BST)
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| − | **Hey, I can do pixel art; if I make a knockoff logo based on the PSU icon and the AoI icon, would those work? [[User:F Gattaca|F Gattaca]] 08:13, 10 August 2007 (BST)
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| − | *** No real point; we might as well just shrink the official logo, no one seems to care. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 18:54, 10 August 2007 (BST)
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| − | ****Yeah, the official logo shrunk down will work just fine. Quicker, too. ;) [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 19:18, 10 August 2007 (BST)
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| − | *****I suppose. I figured transparent pixel art icons would have looked better alongside the manufacturer icons, which have transparent backgrounds themselves. [[User:F Gattaca|F Gattaca]] 03:50, 11 August 2007 (BST)
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| − | ******What about vector art like the manufacturer icons? (I think it's called vector art.) If someone could do that with the ''Illuminus'' logo, we could scale it up and down without distortion so it could be used for multiple purposes. [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 15:38, 11 August 2007 (BST)
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| − | *******That'd be better, since the manufacturer logos are also made from vector graphics, although they're .png files. Following the same pattern, I could do that with Flash and make a big vector .png of the logos--but if you're thinking about that .svg stuff, I've no clue how those vector graphics work. I've only seen them used on Wikipedia ... [[User:F Gattaca|F Gattaca]] 19:37, 11 August 2007 (BST)
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| − | ********PNG would be great. Give it a shot, if you don't mind. :) [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 19:50, 11 August 2007 (BST)
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| − | *I just finished a rough design of the [[Kazarod]] page. Of course, we still need a picture to add to the upper right, but this is what I think individual weapon pages should look like. (I still need to add drop info in, however. Not sure if I want to do it as text or a table...) [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 16:58, 12 August 2007 (BST)
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| − | **I guess we'll need to do a referendum on the weapon pages. That's three style propositions now, heh!<br><br>Anyway, I finally found the time to work on the vector graphics version of the AoI logo. Tell me what you think:<br><br>[[Image:AoI Logo Vector.png|19px]] [[Image:AoI Logo Vector.png|50px]]<br><br>You can view the full size (250x250) [http://psupedia.info/images/d/d2/AoI_Logo_Vector.png here]. [[User:F Gattaca|F Gattaca]] 21:09, 13 August 2007 (BST)
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| − | ***Perfect! :D What program do you use for this? I'd kind of like to try my hand at creating some logos like this for other in-game icons such as status effects and materials. [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 21:22, 13 August 2007 (BST)
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| − | ****I personally used Flash for this, using its Export Image feature to turn my working movie into a still image .png file. There's some dedicated vector graphics programs out there, but I've found Flash can handle many of the same things. [[User:F Gattaca|F Gattaca]] 21:30, 13 August 2007 (BST)
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| − | [http://psupedia.info/Manual_of_Style#Individual_item_pages This format] seems to be going over very well considering that Beatrix, myself and a few others have been faithfully using it over the past few days as we add new articles to the wiki. Considering that, I assume it could more or less be a set standard, but I'd still like to see if anyone has any opinions on the style that maybe they've just kept to themselves. A few things on it, though:
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| − | *I've opted for a more bold set of colors for the star rating as the ones selected for the table cell backgrounds seemed a little too light against the normal white background. The green star was especially difficult to see.
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| − | *I'd ultimately like to set up a number of more organized categories, such as what we're doing now with these small articles, as opposed to the 500+ categories we have now that split everything up into smaller and smaller pieces. I mentioned this at Raffon Field Base, but I'd like to say it here, too. I really think we need to clear out a ton of the unnecessary categories.
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| − | Anyway, I think that's it. Comments, suggestions? [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 18:31, 11 August 2007 (BST)
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| − | ** Well, for the star rating, I guess you could try a wikitable thing to get a darker background. Something like:
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| − | <code><nowiki>{| class=wikitable</nowiki><br> | |
| − | <nowiki>| style="background:#A7A7A7" | <font color=blue>★★★<font color=cyan>★★★<font color=lightgreen>★★★<font color=gold>★★★</nowiki><br>
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| − | <nowiki>|}</nowiki><br></code>
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| − | Which gives:
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| − | {| class=wikitable
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| − | | style="background:#A7A7A7" | <font color=blue>★★★<font color=cyan>★★★<font color=lightgreen>★★★<font color=gold>★★★
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| − | As for the categories, they were originally intended to be there because we can't really get the advanced search functions a more conventional database can have and this was a work-around. They've never been used really and are archaic, they're also intrinsically tied with the old, broken template system. They should be deleted so we can have cleaner categories. Special List pages can be set up if necessary. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 20:21, 11 August 2007 (BST)
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| − | *I am pro special list page. ;) We could use that to sort out which categories to keep and which to axe. [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 04:40, 12 August 2007 (BST)
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| − | *** I personally think the way Espio is doing them looks fine, and the grayish background table for the stars would just look out of place. I'm also curious if the board table I used on my sample weapon page might look better for the individual item pages as well, rather than the textual board and ingredient description. The colored star rarity would also fit in well with my weapon page, if we choose to do that one. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 01:03, 12 August 2007 (BST)
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| − | ****Create an example of what you have in mind and we can judge from there. :) [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 04:40, 12 August 2007 (BST)
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| − | ***** Nothing too fancy, just a simple little table, easy to read and standardized. [[User:Qwerty/Sandbox|Here]] be the example. My pricing table could be thrown in too, but I think that might be a bit much. Also, for my sample weapon page, I could just put the color-coded stars below the item description as on the item pages, or possibly in the weapon name title line (with reduced text-size, obviously). --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 07:03, 12 August 2007 (BST)
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| − | ******Yeah, the pricing table would probably be too much, but the synthesis table looks great there. [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 15:01, 12 August 2007 (BST)
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| − | * As an aside, it's worth standardizing exactly what types of items are to use this style - obviously synthesis materials and traps use it, but I also assume that consumables, buff items, room goods, redecoration tickets, boards which don't particularly belong to another page (e.g. conversion boards), PA Disks and Clothes/Parts will also use this standard? - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 20:40, 12 August 2007 (BST)
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| − | **Yeah, that sounds about right. I plan on doing some more item pages later today, possibly finishing off the synthesis materials section. In the meantime, however, I'm going to head off to the gym for a bit while I've got a chance. (There are weights to be lifted there, and it just so happens that I'm the only one who can lift them. :D) While I'm there, I'll be going over these things in my head. [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 20:58, 12 August 2007 (BST)
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| − | ==Synthesis board suggestion==
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| − | (Copied from the scape doll talk page.) I really hate questioning something that we're trying to set as a standard, but I think this might be a valid point. While working on the scape doll's board info, I realized that the rarity of the board and the rarity of the item are different. While I don't think this is a common occurrence, I think we should address it before we begin a mass implementation of synth board tables, especially since the board rarity is never mentioned anywhere. I suggest changing the title of the table to the board name and then changing the current board name cell to indicate rarity. Like so:
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| − | {| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
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| − | | colspan="4" style="background:#e8e8e8"| '''[B] Scape Doll''' | + | | <code><nowiki>{{Body unit icon}}</nowiki></code> || {{Body unit icon}} |
| − | |-style="background:#f9f9f9"
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| − | | style="background:#f2f2f2" | '''Food''' || [[Hustle Berry]] x5 || style="background:#f2f2f2" | '''Chemical''' || [[Omega Acid]] x2
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| − | |-style="background:#f9f9f9"
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| − | | style="background:#f2f2f2" | '''[B] Uses''' || 1 || style="background:#f2f2f2" | '''Base Rate''' || 100%
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| − | |-style="background:#f9f9f9"
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| − | | style="background:#f2f2f2" | '''Synth Time''' || 00:00 || style="background:#f2f2f2" | '''[B] Rarity''' || {{Color-A}}|7★
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| − | I think we should do this, unless we're going to make individual pages for each board. Actually, that's something else. Should we do that, or just make a synth board redirect to the page of the item it creates? [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 18:40, 13 August 2007 (BST)
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| − | I'd be all for individual pages for boards, but the simplicity of putting board and item on one page is clear to me as well. --[[User:Beatrixkiddo|Beatrixkiddo]] 23:17, 13 August 2007 (BST)
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| − | * I have to admit, I'm not much a fan of this style. Why?
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| − | {| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
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| − | ! colspan="4"|Title goes here
| + | | <code><nowiki>{{Extra unit icon}}</nowiki></code> || {{Extra unit icon}} |
| − | |- style="background:#fbb" | |
| − | | Material 1 || Material 2 | |
| − | |- style="background:#fbb"
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| − | | Material 3 || Material 4
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| − | |- style="background:#8ff"
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| − | | Synth Detail 1 || Synth Detail 2
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| − | |- style="background:#8ff"
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| − | | Synth Detail 3 || Synth Detail 4
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| | |} | | |} |
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| − | : Seems a very strange way of arranging it to me, and not particularly conductive to finding out the desired information on a synthesis quickly. Additionally, there's a lot of "<nowiki>style="background:sixcharacters"</nowiki>" expressions in there which - while easily eliminated by a template - would surely be better off made header cells (start with ! instead of | ) and then just make the "title" cell darker manually.
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| − | : If I may pitch in a couple of ideas:
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| − | {|
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| | {| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" | | {| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" |
| − | |- style="background:#ddd" | + | ! What you type || What you get |
| − | | colspan=5| '''Horizontal Item''' | + | |- |
| | + | | <code><nowiki>{{Logo-G}}</nowiki></code> || {{Logo-G}} |
| | |- | | |- |
| − | | rowspan=2 style="background:#e8e8e8"| Details | + | | <code><nowiki>{{Logo-Y}}</nowiki></code> || {{Logo-Y}} |
| − | ! width=80|[B] Needed || width=80|[B] Uses || width=80|Synth Time || width=80|Base Rate
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| | |- | | |- |
| − | | [B] Item || x || 0hrs || 100% | + | | <code><nowiki>{{Logo-T}}</nowiki></code> || {{Logo-T}} |
| − | |-
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| − | | rowspan=2 style="background:#e8e8e8"| Materials
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| − | ! Photon || Ore || Metal || Wood
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| | |- | | |- |
| − | | <photon> || <ore> || <metal> || <wood> | + | | <code><nowiki>{{Logo-K}}</nowiki></code> || {{Logo-K}} |
| | + | |- |
| | + | | <code><nowiki>{{PSU version}}</nowiki></code> || {{PSU version}} |
| | + | |- |
| | + | | <code><nowiki>{{AOTI version}}</nowiki></code> || {{AOTI version}} |
| | + | |- |
| | + | | <code><nowiki>{{AOTI SU version}}</nowiki></code> || {{AOTI SU version}} |
| | + | |- |
| | + | | <code><nowiki>{{Color-C}}</nowiki></code> || {{Color-C}} | C-grade items |
| | + | |- |
| | + | | <code><nowiki>{{Color-B}}</nowiki></code> || {{Color-B}} | B-grade items |
| | + | |- |
| | + | | <code><nowiki>{{Color-A}}</nowiki></code> || {{Color-A}} | A-grade items |
| | + | |- |
| | + | | <code><nowiki>{{Color-S}}</nowiki></code> || {{Color-S}} | S-grade items (10-12★) |
| | + | |- |
| | + | | <code><nowiki>{{Color-S2}}</nowiki></code> || {{Color-S2}} | S-grade items (13-15★) |
| | + | |- |
| | + | | <code><nowiki>{{JP item}}</nowiki></code> || {{JP item}} | Japan-only items |
| | + | |- |
| | + | | <code><nowiki>{{Unreleased item}}</nowiki></code> || {{Unreleased item}} | Unreleased items |
| | + | |- |
| | + | | <code><nowiki>{{Rotational item}}</nowiki></code> || {{Rotational item}} | Seasonal or temporary items |
| | + | |- |
| | + | | <code><nowiki>{{1 star}}</nowiki></code> || {{1 star}} |
| | + | |- |
| | + | | <code><nowiki>{{2 stars}}</nowiki></code> || {{2 stars}} |
| | + | |- |
| | + | | <code><nowiki>{{3 stars}}</nowiki></code> || {{3 stars}} |
| | + | |- |
| | + | | <code><nowiki>{{4 stars}}</nowiki></code> || {{4 stars}} |
| | + | |- |
| | + | | <code><nowiki>{{5 stars}}</nowiki></code> || {{5 stars}} |
| | + | |- |
| | + | | <code><nowiki>{{6 stars}}</nowiki></code> || {{6 stars}} |
| | + | |- |
| | + | | <code><nowiki>{{7 stars}}</nowiki></code> || {{7 stars}} |
| | + | |- |
| | + | | <code><nowiki>{{8 stars}}</nowiki></code> || {{8 stars}} |
| | + | |- |
| | + | | <code><nowiki>{{9 stars}}</nowiki></code> || {{9 stars}} |
| | + | |- |
| | + | | <code><nowiki>{{10 stars}}</nowiki></code> || {{10 stars}} |
| | + | |- |
| | + | | <code><nowiki>{{11 stars}}</nowiki></code> || {{11 stars}} |
| | + | |- |
| | + | | <code><nowiki>{{12 stars}}</nowiki></code> || {{12 stars}} |
| | + | |- |
| | + | | <code><nowiki>{{13 stars}}</nowiki></code> || {{13 stars}} |
| | + | |- |
| | + | | <code><nowiki>{{14 stars}}</nowiki></code> || {{14 stars}} |
| | + | |- |
| | + | | <code><nowiki>{{15 stars}}</nowiki></code> || {{15 stars}} |
| | |} | | |} |
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| | {| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" | | {| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" |
| − | |- style="background:#ddd" | + | ! What you type || What you get |
| − | | colspan=4| '''Vertical Item''' | |
| − | |- style="background:#e8e8e8"
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| − | | colspan=2|'''Details''' || colspan=2|'''Materials'''
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| | |- | | |- |
| − | ! width=80|[B] Needed
| + | | <code><nowiki>{{Crown}}</nowiki></code> || {{Crown}} |
| − | | width=80|[B] Item
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| − | ! width=80|Photon
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| − | | width=80|<photon> | |
| | |- | | |- |
| − | ! [B] Uses
| + | | <code><nowiki>{{Sword}}</nowiki></code> || {{Sword}} |
| − | | x
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| − | ! Ore
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| − | | <ore> | |
| | |- | | |- |
| − | ! Synth Time
| + | | <code><nowiki>{{Shield}}</nowiki></code> || {{Shield}} |
| − | | 0hrs
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| − | ! Metal
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| − | | <metal> | |
| | |- | | |- |
| − | ! Base Rate
| + | | <code><nowiki>{{Boot}}</nowiki></code> || {{Boot}} |
| − | | 100% | + | |- |
| − | ! Wood
| + | | <code><nowiki>{{Staff}}</nowiki></code> || {{Staff}} |
| − | | <wood> | + | |- |
| | + | | <code><nowiki>{{Neutral}}</nowiki></code> || {{Neutral}} |
| | + | |- |
| | + | | <code><nowiki>{{Fire}}</nowiki></code> || {{Fire}} |
| | + | |- |
| | + | | <code><nowiki>{{Ice}}</nowiki></code> || {{Ice}} |
| | + | |- |
| | + | | <code><nowiki>{{Lightning}}</nowiki></code> || {{Lightning}} |
| | + | |- |
| | + | | <code><nowiki>{{Ground}}</nowiki></code> || {{Ground}} |
| | + | |- |
| | + | | <code><nowiki>{{Light}}</nowiki></code> || {{Light}} |
| | + | |- |
| | + | | <code><nowiki>{{Dark}}</nowiki></code> || {{Dark}} |
| | + | |- |
| | + | | <code><nowiki>{{C}}</nowiki></code> || {{C}} |
| | + | |- |
| | + | | <code><nowiki>{{B}}</nowiki></code> || {{B}} |
| | + | |- |
| | + | | <code><nowiki>{{A}}</nowiki></code> || {{A}} |
| | + | |- |
| | + | | <code><nowiki>{{S}}</nowiki></code> || {{S}} |
| | + | |- |
| | + | | <code><nowiki>{{Shirt icon}}</nowiki></code> || {{Shirt icon}} |
| | + | |- |
| | + | | <code><nowiki>{{Pants icon}}</nowiki></code> || {{Pants icon}} |
| | + | |- |
| | + | | <code><nowiki>{{Shoes icon}}</nowiki></code> || {{Shoes icon}} |
| | + | |- |
| | + | | <code><nowiki>{{Top set icon}}</nowiki></code> || {{Top set icon}} |
| | + | |- |
| | + | | <code><nowiki>{{Bottom set icon}}</nowiki></code> || {{Bottom set icon}} |
| | + | |- |
| | + | | <code><nowiki>{{Full set icon}}</nowiki></code> || {{Full set icon}} |
| | + | |- |
| | + | | <code><nowiki>{{Arm icon}}</nowiki></code> || {{Arm icon}} |
| | + | |- |
| | + | | <code><nowiki>{{Torso icon}}</nowiki></code> || {{Torso icon}} |
| | + | |- |
| | + | | <code><nowiki>{{Leg icon}}</nowiki></code> || {{Leg icon}} |
| | + | |- |
| | + | | <code><nowiki>{{Full parts set icon}}</nowiki></code> || {{Full parts set icon}} |
| | |} | | |} |
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| | |} | | |} |
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| − | : Actually, the code for the second one isn't edit-friendly at all. But some might prefer the look so I'll leave it there. - [[User:Miraglyth|Miraglyth]] 00:07, 14 August 2007 (BST)
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| − | **I like how the vertical version looks. One problem, though: what to do with the empty cells for boards that have less than four materials? Also, I still favor the idea of keeping the title of the table the name of the board it's about. [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 16:24, 14 August 2007 (BST)
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| − | * I do too, come to think of it.
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| − | : The "number of materials" thing could do with exploration. By nature, all weapons require four (Photons, Ores, Metals, Wood) and some line shields require four (Photons, Ores, Materials, sometimes event drops). Then there are Food and Item boards which take two (Natural Materials, Chemicals), Decoration boards which take two (Special Materials, Wood) and finally Grinder / Material Upgrade boards which use just one (Grinder bases and the materials, respectively).
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| − | : It's the last two that bother me, since those won't fit into the "vertical with oddly-grouped" setup either. - [[User:Miraglyth|Miraglyth]] 18:35, 14 August 2007 (BST)
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| − | **We could always take the route of unique tables for each type of synthesis board, but do what we can to make them all have the same general feel. Maybe? I'll give some more thought to it to see if I can come up with another design. [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 19:10, 14 August 2007 (BST)
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| − | ==Closed polls==
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| − | ===VOTE: Weapon template===
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| − | Before we go any further with weapon template implementation, let's make if official with a vote like we did with the other standards. Please cast your vote below by posting your choice in bold followed by your signature (and reasoning, if you want). Also, if anyone has another template that they would like to propose, please do so. In such an event, if your vote is swayed by a new entry, please feel free to update your vote.
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| − | *[http://psupedia.info/User:Qwerty/Sandbox/Weapon_Page/Final Qwerty's template]
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| − | *[http://psupedia.info/User:F_Gattaca/Sandbox/Weapon_Page_Redesign:_Yasminakov_0002_Example F Gattaca's template]
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| − | Voting will be open from now until 12:00a.m. Tuesday, August 21. [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 00:22, 14 August 2007 (BST)
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| − | *'''Qwerty's template''' - I prefer this template. The seperated tables allow for users to easily find what details they need. [[User:Natasha Milarose|Natasha Milarose]] 19:29, 14 August 2007 (GMT +10)
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| − | *'''Qwerty's template''' --[[User:Beatrixkiddo|Beatrixkiddo]] 00:46, 14 August 2007 (BST)
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| − | *'''Qwerty's template''' - I like the general idea of this one, but now that I've seen it filled in on a few occasions, there are a few things that I don't like about it. For one, when shop and pricing information is put into its respective table, it begins to squash together the other tables, making them look, well, bloated. (Heh, for a lack of a better term.) I've been trying to come up with an alternative based on this design that solves this, but so far, I've had no luck. I'll keep trying, though, and submit my version if I'm successful. So, for now, my vote goes with this one. [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 01:05, 14 August 2007 (BST)
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| − | **I noticed the same thing on a few pages. It's due to "Unknown" taking up a lot more horizontal room than an actual price would, never fear. :P I was gonna change the unknown to "???" but didn't feel like messing with Q's pages. --[[User:Beatrixkiddo|Beatrixkiddo]] 01:48, 14 August 2007 (BST)
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| − | **http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v328/beatrix_kiddo/Clip_10.jpg. In this example pic, sample prices are put in, making the boxes not get squished. --[[User:Beatrixkiddo|Beatrixkiddo]] 02:11, 14 August 2007 (BST)
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| − | ** It only looks squished if you use something less than 1280 x 1024, which I figured was more or less standard. >_> --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 06:12, 14 August 2007 (BST)
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| − | *** [http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/8568/templatefinelg4.jpg Here's a pic] showing how the template is fine at a higher resolution. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 07:03, 14 August 2007 (BST)
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| − | ** In other news, pricing can replace grinding in the second line, which in turn would move down to a third. Such a change could be easily implemented, but isn't necessary at 1280 x 1024 and above, and I'd imagine anyone playing PSU (at least on PC) can support that resolution (even if PSU has to run lower). Regardless, the change is easy to make if deemed necessary. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 06:50, 14 August 2007 (BST)
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| − | ***I used to have my monitor set to 1280x1024, but for some reason, it kept squealing every once in a while. D: I finally just knocked it down by one spot and it stopped. I'm building a new computer very soon (well, as long as my new motherboard that should be arriving soon works this time), so once it's set up, I'll see if I can get away with a better resolution. I preferred 1280x1024, anyway. :) [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 15:35, 14 August 2007 (BST)
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| − | *'''F Gattaca's template''' - I'm a lurker and often use the PSUpedia but never edited yet, so I guess throwing my say wouldn't hurt either. Qwerty's has some several advantages, namely being squashed to fit in half of a screen(in my resolution, at least) thus allowing on checking quickly the stats of a weapon, but I preffer F Gattaca's overall. It's breathier, spacier and feels more encyclopedic. Plenty of space and no risk of entries of squashing up into a mess. While it takes a screen, it's still pretty small and spacy. So, yeah, my vote's for F Gattaca's. [[User:Emryl Denjay|Emryl Denjay]] 01:42, 14 August 2007 (BST)
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| − | *'''F Gattaca's template''' - I prefer the non-squished look. [[User:Firehawke|Firehawke]] 01:53, 14 August 2007 (BST)
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| − | *'''Qwerty's template'''. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 10:40, 14 August 2007 (BST)
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| − | *'''Qwerty's template'''. [[User:12|12]] 10:45, 14 August 2007 (BST)
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| − | *'''Qwerty's template'''. [[User:Clover|Clover]] 12:15, 14 August (BST)
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| − | * I can't say I'm a fan of the redundancy displayed with the "Rank" field of '''Qwerty's template.''' "Rarity" already has that covered, so couldn't we find a better use for that field? - [[User:Miraglyth|Miraglyth]] 18:37, 14 August 2007 (BST)
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| − | ** Well, the table looks really lopsided without it, so unless you can suggest something better to put there, then that's really a moot point. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 18:53, 14 August 2007 (BST)
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| − | ** :O I just realized a "version" (i.e. PAU/AoI) field would work well there. At any rate, stuff like that is easy to change in the template. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 19:04, 14 August 2007 (BST)
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| − | ***A version field would be great. Of course, keep in mind that TECH weapons present a new problem. They only affect one stat (TP), thus leaving one stat box open (the one that was for ATA in striking and ranged weaponry). Any ideas? [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 19:07, 14 August 2007 (BST)
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| − | ***Wouldn't Rowspan 2 solve that particular problem? - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 19:22, 14 August 2007 (BST)
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| − | **** Yeah, planning on just rowspan for the TP issue, but a version field would be nice once we get a vectored logo for regular PSU to match the AoI one. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 19:25, 14 August 2007 (BST)
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| − | *'''Qwerty's template'''. - [[User:Demon|Demon]] 04:06, 18 August 2007 (BST)
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| − | *'''Qwerty's template'''. - I like the weapon stat box of F Gattaca's template more; but it being on the right of the page is a bit unnatural; I'd look for this info on the left side of the page. The rest of this template takes up a lot of space too, I have to scroll to see it all so I prefer Qwerty's template as they are right now. For me personally, I think F Gattaca's stat box on the left, and Qwerty's other boxes on the right would be ideal.<br>Also, there are 2 things missing from both of the templates: <br>1) Synth rate on a pure level 100 Partner Machinery. I do not really care what the synth rate of a Blackbull on an armor PM is. <br>2) PP regeneration. Some weapons, Kubara in particular, are different from the norm; I would like to see this one too. [[User:Au+|Au+]] 13:22, 18 August 2007 (BST)
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| − | **Quick note on Qwerty's template. I think a few small modifications should be made to the code to take out some of the HTML and replace it with wikicode. Also, I'd like to suggest changing the wording of the second subcategory to something less wordy. (''Stats, synthesis, grinding, etc.'' for example, instead of ''Stats, synthing, pricing, grinding and drops''.) [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 17:55, 20 August 2007 (BST)
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| − | Qwerty's template is the winner. Before we begin mass-implementation, I'd like to make a few small modifications to the code, however, just to add wikicode in and take HTML out. Also, there are some color templates we could add in save more space. [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 12:40, 21 August 2007 (BST)
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| − | ===VOTE: Item template===
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| − | Let's make it official on this one, too. Right now, I think the only proposal out there is mine, but I'd like to open up the floor once again in case anyone else has any ideas. If so, please submit your ideas! As with before, please cast your vote in bold followed by your signature.
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| − | *[http://psupedia.info/Diad EspioKaos' template]
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| − | *Other; please elaborate.
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| − | Voting will be open from now until 12:00a.m. Tuesday, August 21. [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 15:51, 14 August 2007 (BST)
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| − | *'''EspioKaos' template''' [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 15:51, 14 August 2007 (BST)
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| − | *'''EspioKaos' template'''. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 17:02, 14 August 2007 (BST)
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| − | * '''EspioKaos' template''' --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 17:49, 14 August 2007 (BST)
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| − | * '''EspioKaos' template''' - Bit of a no-brainer. But as with shop buy/sell stats, I'm not sure about the presence of PM feed stats. The star value and item type (e.g. [[Ingredients|Ingredient]] in above example) is already given, no? - [[User:Miraglyth|Miraglyth]] 18:26, 14 August 2007 (BST)
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| − | **Yeah, I put that there as filler, but it's just kind of stuck. Other stuff could go in its place. [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 21:24, 14 August 2007 (BST)
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| − | *** Would definitely like to see discussion on that. We'd already determined for other tables that feed stats are best left to the [[Partner Machinery]] article. - [[User:Miraglyth|Miraglyth]] 00:27, 16 August 2007 (BST)
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| − | ****Drop details (especially for rare materials) would be a good replacement for the feeding info. Do you think keeping synthesis uses is good? [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 00:32, 16 August 2007 (BST)
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| − | Seems to be unanimous. However, we still need to decide on what other info to add to item pages. We can start a separate discussion for that. [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 12:40, 21 August 2007 (BST)
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| − | ===VOTE: Color-coding===
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| − | Another one to get out there and finalize. At the moment, the only discrepancy I've come across with the color-coding system is in the shade of red used to identify an item that has not been officially released. In the current tables, it's of a lighter shade than what has been proposed. As before, if anyone has another suggestion, please post it. In the meantime, cast your vote in bold followed by your signature.
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| − | *[http://psupedia.info/The_PSUPedia:Manual_of_style#Color-coding_for_items_.28PENDING.29 Color proposal #1]
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| − | *[http://psupedia.info/Manual_of_Style#Weapon_and_line_shield_tables Color proposal #2] - The only change is in the shade of red.
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| − | *Other; please elaborate.
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| − | Voting will be open from now until 12:00a.m. Tuesday, August 21. [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 15:59, 14 August 2007 (BST)
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| − | *'''Color proposal #1''' [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 15:59, 14 August 2007 (BST)
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| − | *'''Colour proposal #1'''. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 17:02, 14 August 2007 (BST)
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| − | * '''Color proposal #1''' --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 17:49, 14 August 2007 (BST)
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| − | * '''Colour proposal #1''': Edit - Ah, I see what's being voted on here. Actually I used the lighter red initially because I found reds that were much deeper stole too much attention from the text. It's arguably too pale now, but I didn't expect availability to be too important a detail. In any case, #aaccff and #ffaaaa can of course be shortened to #acf and #faa - [[User:Miraglyth|Miraglyth]] 18:20, 14 August 2007 (BST)
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| − | With a unanimous vote, color proposal #1 wins. [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 12:40, 21 August 2007 (BST)
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To help save space and make browsing this page easier, older discussions will be archived here.
I'd like to formally propose the following templates for use with our articles on weapons, line shields and units.
I'm still supportive of the user pages being open to what a person wants to put on it, but I have a few suggestions for possible requirements. One is that user pages shouldn't be categorized. This includes categories that don't and do exist. The others mostly concern links. If a user is going to link to a page, it should either exist or at least have a consistant spelling with a page that should exist (but hasn't been created yet). If the page has had it's link changed (or is different because of confirmed localization) and they know, they should update accordingly. Well...basically they should be aware of what's in red on their page and see if any of it is justified. If not, they should either correct the spelling or drop the link. It's going to become more and more of a problem for people working through the wanted pages. I've come upon countless situations myself where either something that's being linked shouldn't ever exist or is spelled wrong. It wouldn't matter much, but it would make it far easier to keep things clean and figure out what's needed instead of trying to sort through the current mess. S-T-H 03:38, 15 July 2008 (CDT)
Pre-made templates should always be used to save space and make writing articles easier. The following table compiles all templates that are currently in use at the PSUPedia and displays their effects to the right.
Aside from these templates, numerous larger templates have been created for use within articles for stat and information tables. A list of these can be found here.
You have the choice which is better yours or mine :) I won't edit anything big at the "front pages".
