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==VOTE:  Abbreviations==
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To help save space and make browsing this page easier, older discussions will be archived [[The PSUPedia:Manual_of_style_archive | here]].
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So we can set a standard Guardian type abbreviation system for use at the PSUPedia, we're taking a vote on what the users and contributors would like to have implemented.  Our two choices are the JP Wiki version and Sounomi's version.  For those who might not know, here are how the two sets of abbreviations compare:
 
  
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== Open polls ==
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None.
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== Closed polls ==
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Please see [[The_PSUPedia:Manual_of_style_archive#Closed_polls | this page]] for the archive of closed polls.
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== New template proposals ==
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I'd like to formally propose the following templates for use with our articles on weapons, line shields and units.
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* [[Template:Weapon stats test]]
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* [[Template:Weapon synth board]]
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* [[Template:Weapon synth board (Kubara)]]
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* [[Template:LS stats]]
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* [[Template:LS synth]]
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* [[Template:Grinding info test]]
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* [[Template:Pricing info test]]
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* [[Template:Unit stats]]
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And as an example, the [[Bow Genshi]] article is using all applicable templates.  Going by the ideas that have been thrown around here and with the help of numerous people, these templates have been designed based on the idea of allowing as much automation as possible.  Stat tables will update their layout depending on what type of weapon it's for.  Where feasible, material quantities and types can be determined by an item's manufacturer and rarity and sell prices for items can be calculated with a simple equation using the item's buy price (when entered).  The grinding info table has been updated to allow a single template to change based on the weapon type it's being used for.  For example, identifying a table for an RCSM will change the attack variable to Tech. while the values for PP will all be filled in with hyphens.<br/>
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So what do you guys think? - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 10:25, 18 April 2008 (CDT)
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* I like the idea, but to be absolutely honest, these things confuse the hell out of me. That said, I'm sure I could figure them out if I needed to use them/had the time to look at the parameters more closely. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 16:57, 18 April 2008 (CDT)
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** Some of those pages I need to go back over and expand on the parameter values and what to do with them.  That should maybe clear some things up.  :) - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 17:58, 18 April 2008 (CDT)
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* It'll be hell to convert all pages but that's a pretty nice work. [[User:Essen|Essen]] 16:59, 18 April 2008 (CDT)
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** If we go with them, we could always just use them for any new pages that we create and then work our way back over older articles and make conversions at our leisure.  I wouldn't see much rush since aesthetically everything is pretty much the same.  (A few small changes, but nothing that really sticks out.)  And thanks again for the help.  You helped introduce me to some awesome template functions that I've had a lot of fun playing with.  XD - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 17:58, 18 April 2008 (CDT)
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* Holy whoa. I love these! - [[User:Miraglyth|Miraglyth]] 18:52, 19 April 2008 (CDT)
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* Cool, so I take it no major objections or anything.  I'd like to start using these to work on some more weapon/line shield pages, so I think I'm going to move some over from the "test" name and commence conversion.  (Normally I'm not too eager to work on the weapons pages since they can be quite time consuming, but with the tests I did with these, I found myself flying right through them.) - [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 21:41, 21 April 2008 (CDT)
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== User Page Guidelines ==
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I'm still supportive of the user pages being open to what a person wants to put on it, but I have a few suggestions for possible requirements.  One is that user pages shouldn't be categorized.  This includes categories that don't and do exist.  The others mostly concern links.  If a user is going to link to a page, it should either exist or at least have a consistant spelling with a page that should exist (but hasn't been created yet).  If the page has had it's link changed (or is different because of confirmed localization) and they know, they should update accordingly.  Well...basically they should be aware of what's in red on their page and see if any of it is justified.  If not, they should either correct the spelling or drop the link.  It's going to become more and more of a problem for people working through the wanted pages.  I've come upon countless situations myself where either something that's being linked shouldn't ever exist or is spelled wrong.  It wouldn't matter much, but it would make it far easier to keep things clean and figure out what's needed instead of trying to sort through the current mess.  [[User:S-T-H|S-T-H]] 03:38, 15 July 2008 (CDT)
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* I agree with your points but in the case of the links I wonder if a redirect wouldn't just do the job? It's going to be difficult to keep an eye on everyone linking to things on their user page. On another note, I wonder if we should consider making a welcome template to put on people's userpages after they make their first edit. It can have stuff like 'Don't make a billion consecutive edits' (since people seem to miss that, or ignore it) and other pointers. Thoughts (and sorry if I'm hijacking this, STH)? - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 15:33, 20 July 2008 (CDT)
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** If you go to [[Special:Wantedpages]] you might be able to see better what I mean.  Not counting the AOTI and PSP stuff that now appears at the end, the farther in you get the more nonsense you'll probably see.  I have no problem with redirecting to obvious things, even though I wouldn't want too many redirects and that stuff usually redirects properly anyway (ie why redirect to a one off that's obviously wrong).  The stuff that is an issue are things that are linked for no apparent reason whatsoever. It actually wouldn't be very difficult keeping track as long as Wanted Pages gets cleaned up.  As for the welcome template I do agree.  Oddly enough I think it was Amaury that brought something like that up in the forums.  I'm guessing this would be something automatic?  The only real reason I'm bringing this up is that Wanted Pages has been quite useful and can even be more useful in the future.  It's just that it needs to be cleaned up in a way that isn't possible for most users (since it involves user pages).  The only other solution I see is somehow excluding user pages from having an effect on what pages are listed as needing to be created. Maybe the search filter options could somehow be added to more special pages (so that it would be possible to see what's needed for psp or aoti pages specifically as well).  [[User:S-T-H|S-T-H]] 20:47, 20 July 2008 (CDT)
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* Hm, yeah I see what you mean about the wanted page. And no, the template wouldn't be automatic, I don't think there's a way to do it automatically without upgrading our mediawiki or installing an extension. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 05:33, 21 July 2008 (CDT)
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== Use of wiki templates ==
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Pre-made templates should always be used to save space and make writing articles easier.  The following table compiles all templates that are currently in use at the PSUPedia and displays their effects to the right.
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Aside from these templates, numerous larger templates have been created for use within articles for stat and information tables.  A list of these can be found [[The_PSUPedia:Article_templates|here]].
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== New makeup for manual of style icons ==
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You have the choice which is better yours or mine :) I won't edit anything big at the "front pages".
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* I think it looks good.  I don't think you should worry too much about changing things like layout when it really doesn't affect the content, so cutting the charts into sections for space is probably fine.  Remember to sign your comments too. --[[User:S-T-H|S-T-H]] 11:49, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
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{|
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|-valign="top"
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{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
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! What you type || What you get
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|-
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| <code><nowiki>{{Sword icon}}</nowiki></code> || {{Sword icon}}
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|-
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| <code><nowiki>{{Knuckles icon}}</nowiki></code> || {{Knuckles icon}}
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|-
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| <code><nowiki>{{Spear icon}}</nowiki></code> || {{Spear icon}}
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|-
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| <code><nowiki>{{Double saber icon}}</nowiki></code> || {{Double saber icon}}
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|-
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| <code><nowiki>{{Axe icon}}</nowiki></code> || {{Axe icon}}
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|-
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| <code><nowiki>{{Twin saber icon}}</nowiki></code> || {{Twin saber icon}}
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|-
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| <code><nowiki>{{Twin dagger icon}}</nowiki></code> || {{Twin dagger icon}}
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|-
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| <code><nowiki>{{Twin claw icon}}</nowiki></code> || {{Twin claw icon}}
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|-
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| <code><nowiki>{{Saber icon}}</nowiki></code> || {{Saber icon}}
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|-
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| <code><nowiki>{{Dagger icon}}</nowiki></code> || {{Dagger icon}}
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|-
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| <code><nowiki>{{Claw icon}}</nowiki></code> || {{Claw icon}}
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|-
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| <code><nowiki>{{Whip icon}}</nowiki></code> || {{Whip icon}}
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|-
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| <code><nowiki>{{Slicer icon}}</nowiki></code> || {{Slicer icon}}
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|-
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| <code><nowiki>{{Rifle icon}}</nowiki></code> || {{Rifle icon}}
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|-
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| <code><nowiki>{{Shotgun icon}}</nowiki></code> || {{Shotgun icon}}
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|-
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| <code><nowiki>{{Longbow icon}}</nowiki></code> || {{Longbow icon}}
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|-
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| <code><nowiki>{{Grenade icon}}</nowiki></code> || {{Grenade icon}}
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|-
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| <code><nowiki>{{Laser cannon icon}}</nowiki></code> || {{Laser cannon icon}}
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|-
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| <code><nowiki>{{Twin handgun icon}}</nowiki></code> || {{Twin handgun icon}}
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|-
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| <code><nowiki>{{Handgun icon}}</nowiki></code> || {{Handgun icon}}
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|-
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| <code><nowiki>{{Crossbow icon}}</nowiki></code> || {{Crossbow icon}}
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|-
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| <code><nowiki>{{Card icon}}</nowiki></code> || {{Card icon}}
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|-
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| <code><nowiki>{{Machinegun icon}}</nowiki></code> || {{Machinegun icon}}
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|-
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| <code><nowiki>{{RCSM icon}}</nowiki></code> || {{RCSM icon}}
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|-
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| <code><nowiki>{{Rod icon}}</nowiki></code> || {{Rod icon}}
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|-
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| <code><nowiki>{{Wand icon}}</nowiki></code> || {{Wand icon}}
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|-
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| <code><nowiki>{{TCSM icon}}</nowiki></code> || {{TCSM icon}}
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|-
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| <code><nowiki>{{Line shield icon}}</nowiki></code> || {{Line shield icon}}
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|-
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| <code><nowiki>{{Head unit icon}}</nowiki></code> || {{Head unit icon}}
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|-
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| <code><nowiki>{{Arm unit icon}}</nowiki></code> || {{Arm unit icon}}
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|-
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| <code><nowiki>{{Body unit icon}}</nowiki></code> || {{Body unit icon}}
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|-
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| <code><nowiki>{{Extra unit icon}}</nowiki></code> || {{Extra unit icon}}
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|}
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|
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{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
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! What you type || What you get
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|-
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| <code><nowiki>{{Logo-G}}</nowiki></code> || {{Logo-G}}
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|-
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| <code><nowiki>{{Logo-Y}}</nowiki></code> || {{Logo-Y}}
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|-
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| <code><nowiki>{{Logo-T}}</nowiki></code> || {{Logo-T}}
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|-
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| <code><nowiki>{{Logo-K}}</nowiki></code> || {{Logo-K}}
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|-
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| <code><nowiki>{{PSU version}}</nowiki></code> || {{PSU version}}
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|-
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| <code><nowiki>{{AOTI version}}</nowiki></code> || {{AOTI version}}
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|-
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| <code><nowiki>{{AOTI SU version}}</nowiki></code> || {{AOTI SU version}}
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|-
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| <code><nowiki>{{Color-C}}</nowiki></code> || {{Color-C}} | C-grade items
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|-
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| <code><nowiki>{{Color-B}}</nowiki></code> || {{Color-B}} | B-grade items
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|-
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| <code><nowiki>{{Color-A}}</nowiki></code> || {{Color-A}} | A-grade items
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|-
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| <code><nowiki>{{Color-S}}</nowiki></code> || {{Color-S}} | S-grade items (10-12★)
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|-
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| <code><nowiki>{{Color-S2}}</nowiki></code> || {{Color-S2}} | S-grade items (13-15★)
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|-
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| <code><nowiki>{{JP item}}</nowiki></code> || {{JP item}} | Japan-only items
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|-
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| <code><nowiki>{{Unreleased item}}</nowiki></code> || {{Unreleased item}} | Unreleased items
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|-
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| <code><nowiki>{{Rotational item}}</nowiki></code> || {{Rotational item}} | Seasonal or temporary items
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|-
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| <code><nowiki>{{1 star}}</nowiki></code> || {{1 star}}
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|-
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| <code><nowiki>{{2 stars}}</nowiki></code> || {{2 stars}}
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|-
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| <code><nowiki>{{3 stars}}</nowiki></code> || {{3 stars}}
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|-
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| <code><nowiki>{{4 stars}}</nowiki></code> || {{4 stars}}
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|-
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| <code><nowiki>{{5 stars}}</nowiki></code> || {{5 stars}}
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|-
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| <code><nowiki>{{6 stars}}</nowiki></code> || {{6 stars}}
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|-
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| <code><nowiki>{{7 stars}}</nowiki></code> || {{7 stars}}
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|-
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| <code><nowiki>{{8 stars}}</nowiki></code> || {{8 stars}}
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|-
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| <code><nowiki>{{9 stars}}</nowiki></code> || {{9 stars}}
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|-
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| <code><nowiki>{{10 stars}}</nowiki></code> || {{10 stars}}
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|-
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| <code><nowiki>{{11 stars}}</nowiki></code> || {{11 stars}}
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|-
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| <code><nowiki>{{12 stars}}</nowiki></code> || {{12 stars}}
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|-
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| <code><nowiki>{{13 stars}}</nowiki></code> || {{13 stars}}
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|-
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| <code><nowiki>{{14 stars}}</nowiki></code> || {{14 stars}}
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|-
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| <code><nowiki>{{15 stars}}</nowiki></code> || {{15 stars}}
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|}
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{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
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! Guardian Type !! JP Wiki Abbr. !! Sounomi Abbr.
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! What you type || What you get
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| <code><nowiki>{{Crown}}</nowiki></code> || {{Crown}}
 
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| Hunter || HU || HU
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| <code><nowiki>{{Sword}}</nowiki></code> || {{Sword}}
 
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| Ranger || RA || RA
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| <code><nowiki>{{Shield}}</nowiki></code> || {{Shield}}
 
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| Force || FO || FO
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| <code><nowiki>{{Boot}}</nowiki></code> || {{Boot}}
 
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| Fighgunner || FG || FI
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| <code><nowiki>{{Staff}}</nowiki></code> || {{Staff}}
 
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| Wartecher || WT || WT
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| <code><nowiki>{{Neutral}}</nowiki></code> || {{Neutral}}
 
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| Guntecher || GT || GT
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| <code><nowiki>{{Fire}}</nowiki></code> || {{Fire}}
 
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| Fortefighter || fF || FF
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| <code><nowiki>{{Ice}}</nowiki></code> || {{Ice}}
 
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| Fortegunner || fG || FG
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| <code><nowiki>{{Lightning}}</nowiki></code> || {{Lightning}}
 
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| Fortetecher || fT || FT
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| <code><nowiki>{{Ground}}</nowiki></code> || {{Ground}}
 
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| Protranser || PT || PT
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| <code><nowiki>{{Light}}</nowiki></code> || {{Light}}
 
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| (Acrofighter) || aF || AF
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| <code><nowiki>{{Dark}}</nowiki></code> || {{Dark}}
 
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| (Acrotecher) || aT || AT
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| <code><nowiki>{{C}}</nowiki></code> || {{C}}
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|-
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| <code><nowiki>{{B}}</nowiki></code> || {{B}}
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|-
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| <code><nowiki>{{A}}</nowiki></code> || {{A}}
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|-
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| <code><nowiki>{{S}}</nowiki></code> || {{S}}
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|-
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| <code><nowiki>{{Shirt icon}}</nowiki></code> || {{Shirt icon}}
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|-
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| <code><nowiki>{{Pants icon}}</nowiki></code> || {{Pants icon}}
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|-
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| <code><nowiki>{{Shoes icon}}</nowiki></code> || {{Shoes icon}}
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|-
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| <code><nowiki>{{Top set icon}}</nowiki></code> || {{Top set icon}}
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|-
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| <code><nowiki>{{Bottom set icon}}</nowiki></code> || {{Bottom set icon}}
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|-
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| <code><nowiki>{{Full set icon}}</nowiki></code> || {{Full set icon}}
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|-
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| <code><nowiki>{{Arm icon}}</nowiki></code> || {{Arm icon}}
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|-
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| <code><nowiki>{{Torso icon}}</nowiki></code> || {{Torso icon}}
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|-
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| <code><nowiki>{{Leg icon}}</nowiki></code> || {{Leg icon}}
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|-
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| <code><nowiki>{{Full parts set icon}}</nowiki></code> || {{Full parts set icon}}
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|}
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Please post your vote (and if you want, your reasoning) on this issue in this section.  Voting will be open for one week from today, so you have until 12:00a.m. CST Sunday, August 12 until all votes are tallied and an official decision is made.  [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 15:13, 4 August 2007 (BST)
 
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*'''Sounomi:'''  I vote we use Sounomi's abbreviation set.  Even though the JP Wiki's set has been used longer, Sounomi's set solves the issue of confusion some have had over fG/FG, which is Fighgunner and which is Fortegunner.  Also, I just think it looks nicer than having random lowercase letters in certain abbreviations.  (I still don't understand why the JP Wiki users decided to give the Acro-types a lowercase ''a''.)  One other thing, I've seen a few people complain that the PSUPedia seems to be a rip-off of the JP Wiki, so by using an abbreviation set that didn't originate from there, it might help set apart even further.  [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 15:13, 4 August 2007 (BST)
 
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*'''JP-Wiki:''' I vote we use the JP-Wiki set. We've been using this for a while now and I think most people can grasp the difference between fG and FG (the confusion tends to come mostly from people on forums who don't capitalize, and even then it can usually be worked out from context). As an aside, for ease of reading, I suggest putting either '''JP-Wiki''' or '''Sounomi''' at the start of our comments. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 16:50, 4 August 2007 (BST)
 
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*'''Sounomi'''. --[[User:Beatrixkiddo|Beatrixkiddo]] 17:14, 4 August 2007 (BST)
 
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*<b>JP-Wiki:</b> For all the reasons I said below. However, I'd really prefer JP-Wiki style, but with capital As for the Acro classes. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 18:04, 4 August 2007 (BST)
 
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*'''Sounomi'''. - [[User:Saiffy|Saiffy]] 18:35, 4 August 2007 (BST)
 
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*'''Sounomi''', also for reasons I stated below (and what's the point of a mixed-case abbreviation for the Acro classes?). EpisoKaos also raises some valid points about differentiating PSUPedia from the JP Wiki. [[User:F Gattaca|F Gattaca]] 20:13, 4 August 2007 (BST)
 
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*'''Sounomi''', less ambiguity is better. [[User:Malice|Malice]] 23:23, 5 August 2007 (BST)
 
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*'''Sounomi''' probably. First things first: I don't see much of a reason to differentiate from PSU-wiki. Since the sites have a limited overlap in their target audiences, there shouldn't be a sense of competition. I'd rather have them credited for what they're worth to the international community than try to be 'better'. Anyway, anyone able to differentiate the old-style acronyms (these aren't abbreviations, btw) shouldn't have trouble with the new ones either. Since in Japanese the alphabet is mostly used for set acronyms rather than phonetically, they would have been less likely to get confused by them in the first place. If the amount of people that feels put off by the fG/FG confusion is significant, I feel the change is justified. - [[User:Tycho|Tycho]] 17:03, 6 August 2007 (BST)
 
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==VOTE:  Heading and sub-heading capitalization==
 
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We would like to set a standard for the capitalization of [http://psupedia.info/The_PSUPedia:Manual_of_Style#Headings_and_sections_.28PENDING.29 headings and sub-headings] within individual articles at the PSUPedia.  Please cast your vote on which of the following styles you prefer.  Voting will be open from now until 12:00a.m. CST August 12.
 
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*[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style#Sections_and_headings Wikipedia Standard] - The first letter of the first word and all proper nouns thereafter are capitalized, but everything else is lowercase.
 
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*[http://www.pvc.maricopa.edu/lsc/faq/eng/engapaman.htm#head APA Standard] - Multiple variations all depending upon the heading type.
 
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*[http://www.journalofromanarch.com/edit.html AJA Standard] - Capitalize the first letter of the first word and all proper nouns, but apply no punctuation to the end of the heading.
 
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*[http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:j003Ubbx-gQJ:www.docstyles.com/archive/mlastudy.pdf+capitalizing+subheadings&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=7&gl=us MLA Standard] - The first letter of each word is capitalized unless it is an article (''a'', ''an'', ''the''), a preposition (''against'', ''between'', ''in'', ''of'', ''to'') a conjunction (''and'', ''but'', ''for'', ''nor'', ''or'', ''so'', ''yet') or the infinitive ''to''.
 
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If you know of any other standards that you are fond of, please feel free to cast a vote for them here, but be sure to give a source for examples and so forth.  Voting on this will be open from now until 12:00a.m. CST August 12.
 
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*'''Wikipedia:'''  I vote that we use the Wikipedia standard.  I personally like how it looks, plus it's very simple and straightforward with minimal rules to follow.  [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 15:46, 4 August 2007 (BST)
 
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*'''Wikipedia:''' I have to agree with the simplicity of the Wikipedia standard. Easy enough to follow. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 16:52, 4 August 2007 (BST)
 
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*'''Wikipedia'''. --[[User:Beatrixkiddo|Beatrixkiddo]] 17:14, 4 August 2007 (BST)
 
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* <b>MLA:</b>: Because it is what everything uses. Not capitalizing a noun in a title makes me :<. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 18:12, 4 August 2007 (BST)
 
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* '''Wikipedia''', because it's the simplest. I like MLA better, but it will  be harder to follow consistently. [[User:Malice|Malice]] 23:21, 5 August 2007 (BST)
 
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* '''Wikipedia'''. - [[User:Tycho|Tycho]] 17:14, 6 August 2007 (BST)
 
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==Page-stretching and so forth==
 
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*Well, I was able to fix the stretching of the page with the addition of the ''code'' and ''nowiki'' tags, but the result is now a bit more jumbled, as line breaks are no longer obvious.  We'll have to mess around with it some more to see if we can make a work-around.  Of course, we could always take it out of table format and just have the section divided vertically.  (The first part is "what you type" and the second part is "what you get.") [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 19:02, 31 July 2007 (BST)
 
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**The code part of the table probably doesn't have to be "as-is." It may be possible to modify the appearance of the code on the page, while the actual text (when copypasted into a edit box) will produce the same result as what's seen. [[User:F Gattaca|F Gattaca]] 19:21, 31 July 2007 (BST)
 
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***I've played around with it some more, but I can't seem to come up with a way to make the code retain its line breaks so that the table will show up properly when inserted into a new page.  (I'm still kind of green when it comes to wiki-coding, so I probably missed something.)  So, until we can figure out a way to resolve this using the side-by-side comparison, I'm going to change things over a bit to where the code and result display vertically.  We don't want people trying to use the jumbled code to think it doesn't work right because of the lack of line breaks, right?  ;)  [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 15:47, 1 August 2007 (BST)
 
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==Capitalization and so forth==
 
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*I've been looking at the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style Wikipedia Manual of Style] for inspiration on getting this section going, and I realized that they prefer the capitalization of titles to follow the rule of the first letter being in caps with all subsequent words (sans proper nouns, of course) being in lowercase.  I know we don't have to follow this since PSUPedia is not a part of Wikipedia, but should we follow it?  Personally, I actually like how it looks.  What are you guys' thoughts on this? [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 18:43, 31 July 2007 (BST)
 
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**This kind of thing seems highly dependent on the organization's preference. I tried looking up manuals of style that deal with subheadings (as these would be). [http://www.pvc.maricopa.edu/lsc/faq/eng/engapaman.htm#head This college's First-Year English FAQ] demonstrates the APA's way of treating headings and subheadings, which in some ways could be applied to a wiki.<br><br>Meanwhile, the AJA's manual of style says to [http://www.journalofromanarch.com/edit.html capitalize only the first word and important words] but not to put a period or other punctuation at the end of the subheading.<br><br>The MLA says that [http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:j003Ubbx-gQJ:www.docstyles.com/archive/mlastudy.pdf+capitalizing+subheadings&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=7&gl=us each word in a title is capitalized], except for articles (''a, an, the''), prepositions (''against, between,in, of, to''), conjunctions (''and, but, for, nor, or, so, yet''), and the infinitive ''to''.<br><br>I guess it's mostly up to what we want to see, but I'm predisposed towards using capitalization of words in high-level headings ("==" type), but not in lower-level headings. [[User:F Gattaca|F Gattaca]] 19:22, 31 July 2007 (BST)
 
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* I think we should follow it, but let's wait and see what others say first. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 19:26, 31 July 2007 (BST)
 
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* I think we should follow the MLA-type standard, since it just makes the most sense, and is how everything (books, movies, articles, magazines, etc.) is titled. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 20:15, 31 July 2007 (BST)
 
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==A few things==
 
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* Not sure exactly if these are supposed to be in this Manual of Style, but a few things for consideration:
 
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** Any names (of NPCs, items, missions, places, etc.) that have been translated from Japanese due to the lack of an official localization are to be put in parantheses until the official localization is known, at which point the localization takes precedence. An example is [[Fight For Food]], which until the US closed beta shortly before release was known by its Japanese name of (Farm Plant Recovery).
 
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** Item types should be referred to by their proper names if possible, i.e. Line Shields instead of Armor.
 
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** To head off any future problems, weapon type names should be made consistent - particularly Cards/Throwing Blades/whatever the flavour of the month name is. I propose we use Cards, as that is how the Perfect Bible and PSU-Wiki refer to them.
 
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** When writing the star rarity of an item, use the ★ symbol consistently. Don't use * or anything like that. It can be reproduced by copy/pasting or switching to Japanese input and typing 'hoshi' (then pressing Space to change it).
 
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** For consistency, since the game is in US English, we use US English here as well. See [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_and_British_English_differences here] for the major differences.
 
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If I think of anything else I'll list it here. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 19:26, 31 July 2007 (BST)
 
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*Excellent!  I'll get started on working these things in.  [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 20:40, 31 July 2007 (BST)
 
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==Abbreviations==
 
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*Dun dun dun!  Now we get to the abbreviations and what we'll consistently use when it comes to type names.  I, for one, side with [http://www.amesani.org/soukosa/psu/classabbr.txt Sounomi's proposal], which creates a case-insensitive, easy-to-recognize abbreviation for types that would share letters under the abbreviations that originated from the Japanese wiki.  For example, Fighgunner and Fortegunner would be FI and FG, respectively.  I haven't added in the type abbreviations to the list just yet, as we first should come to a consensus on what we'll use.  [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 19:45, 31 July 2007 (BST)
 
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* Ah, this spectre. I personally support and use the PSU-Wiki abbreviations and have no real problem differentiating between fG and FG, but whichever is clearer to the majority would be the one to go with. My vote goes to the PSU-Wiki abbreviations, though. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 19:53, 31 July 2007 (BST)
 
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* I will definitely and adamantly support the traditional (i.e. FG/fG) style abbreviations, simply because they have been used by the vast majority for almost a year now. I have no difficulty distinguishing between FG and fG, especially given context. Furthermore, I do not see the need to be meticulous when it comes to Att. versus ATP and the like. To be absolutely honest, I think that it is stupid that there is even a difference in game, and I never see people use Att., Def., Eva., and the like. I do not see why we can't just use ATP/ATA/DFP/EVP/MST/etc. for everything, simply because it eliminates confusion and those are the abbreviations most commonly used. However, I reckon my opinion will be in the minority on that issue. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 20:06, 31 July 2007 (BST)
 
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**That's an excellent point, Qwerty.  I think I'll actually merge a few things together, making Acc. and ATA under the same listing with a general description as opposed to the "in reference to weapon stats" descriptor.  [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 20:25, 31 July 2007 (BST)
 
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**I strongly side with Sounomi's style. It's much better to have two unique letter combinations for a type class, not to mention "FI" is a nod to the "first two letters" abbreviation rule of the old PSO days. it's also not case dependent; that helps avoid confusion with mis-capped abbreviations or people who just throw the shift key out the window (I've encountered situations like this before!). I personally use it for my user page as well as my signature on PSO-World.<br><br>As far as the "Att." and "Acc." issue, it ''might'' be a good idea if the weapon tables link to [[Stats]] and the corresponding stat, so that people who aren't PSOldschool will understand it's the same thing. [[User:F Gattaca|F Gattaca]] 21:26, 31 July 2007 (BST)
 
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*** Well, FI might be slightly less confusing to some, but FG/fG has been used as the standard for a year, and I must favor precedent. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 21:47, 31 July 2007 (BST)
 
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****Good idea on linking the stat abbreviation to its article, Gattaca.  I'll see if I can do some cleaning up of the stats page and we can get everything linked over as we go with page redesigns.  As far as the type abbreviations go, we're tied with two for the JP wiki style and two for Sounomi's style.  [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 15:38, 1 August 2007 (BST)
 
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**I just found [http://pgr.sakura.ne.jp/cgi-bin/board/board.cgi?board=99&cmd=topic&wparam=393 something interesting] on the abbreviation thing at the JP wiki.  Apparently there was much debating over what the abbreviations they use should be, and the issue of confusion between fG and FG was brought up many times.  Some suggestions users over there made to get around this include ''Fr'' to stand for "forte."  So, FrF would be Fortefighter.  Also, someone suggested ''FFi'', ''FGu'' and ''FTe'' for Fortefighter, Fortegunner and Fortetecher, respectively.  Many more suggestions were made, but that's way too many to list.  [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 03:57, 4 August 2007 (BST)
 
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*** In my not-so-humble opinion, those all are even more unnecessarily confusing than either the traditional system or Sounomi's. Just my two cents. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 05:39, 4 August 2007 (BST)
 
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****Oh, I agree.  I just wanted to point out some other suggestions that were thrown about on the issue.  ;)  [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 14:46, 4 August 2007 (BST)
 
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== Template Nonsense ==
 
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* I just made a metric ass-load of templates for use on weapon pages. This should make them much easier to put together, requiring less memorization of the confusing color-codes (or alt-tabbing to another, completed, article's edit page, which is just as silly), less typing for the image tags, and general happiness through technology. Check [[Rifles]], it works out the same, and saved a bunch of text. Not going to add it to the style manual until I garner praise and cookies from you all though. --[[User:Beatrixkiddo|Beatrixkiddo]] 04:48, 1 August 2007 (BST)
 
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** Lolk after some fun times, I've found out that A) Templates only work if they are one-per-cell. B) Multiple Templates in the headers of tables don't get along and C) Template descriptions don't work so well with the color-code templates. Other than that, have fun with them! --[[User:Beatrixkiddo|Beatrixkiddo]] 05:31, 1 August 2007 (BST)
 
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***Excellent work!  I don't see why these won't be approved, but I'll wait for more feedback before adding them in.  (Or, I could add them in with the pending title until it's made official.)  [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 01:57, 2 August 2007 (BST)
 
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== Am I just blind, or what?==
 
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<i>If one of these weapons is not yet released in the Japanese version of PSU, use the code <nowiki>style="background:#fff2f2"</nowiki> in the row divider above it (|-).</i>
 
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* I cannot tell the difference between this color and pure white, at all. It's not really important, I guess, but maybe we should try a slightly darker tone? --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 06:06, 1 August 2007 (BST)
 
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**It should appear as a faint red.  This should actually be changed to the red used in the new color-coding table I added.  (<code><nowiki>style="background:#FFAAAA"</nowiki></code>)  Of course, I need to verify first that this is the standard.  [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 01:54, 2 August 2007 (BST)
 
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***Querty, I noticed in your weapons page proposal that you chose very dark grey colors for your tables, where the "wikitable" format already has a significant division of color; maybe your monitor's brightness is set too high? [[User:F Gattaca|F Gattaca]] 22:00, 2 August 2007 (BST)
 
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**** Lolya. My brightness is set at 100, and contrast at 28, but my monitor color always seems off if I change it. But I yeah, I suspect that is what's going on. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 23:02, 2 August 2007 (BST)
 
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**** Oh, wow. I mean, wow. I played around with some settings on my monitor and driver. Honest to God, I never knew the wikitable class had background colors pre-assigned, they always showed up as pure white on my screen. With that in mind, I think I need to change my Weapon Template, as those colors really are too dark. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 00:37, 3 August 2007 (BST)
 
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==Voting on pending issues of style==
 
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*OK, we're getting an excellent start on this by getting a standard established for the PSUPedia.  Now all we need to do is vote on a few subjects at hand (the pending issues in the manual) to move even further.  So, how should we handle voting?  Maybe leave it open for a set period of time (one week?) and then go with the decision from there?  Or maybe we should just close the polls once we get votes from everyone participating in the creation of the manual?  Other ideas?  [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 04:49, 3 August 2007 (BST)
 
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** I'd say, set a deadline of one week to vote, and mention it on the frontpage so any visitors can come and vote. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 10:42, 3 August 2007 (BST)
 
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***OK.  When I put it on the front page, would a little blurb in bold below the welcome line but before the actual paragraph be good?  (Like where the mention of our Super Holy Light week and the addition of Her Secret Mission was located.)  I can just link to this page from there.  [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 03:30, 4 August 2007 (BST)
 
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*** Yeah, that sounds good, people will have to know what they're voting on and it might help grab their attention. - [[User:Mewn|Mewn]] 10:27, 4 August 2007 (BST)
 
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==Weapon table revision==
 
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*Since our S-rank listing is using a darker red to point out items that have not been released in any version of the game, shouldn't our new weapon table do the same?  Or is there a reason that it uses a lighter shade of red?  [[User:EspioKaos|EspioKaos]] 03:49, 4 August 2007 (BST)
 
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** I believe the notion was that it was too dark/bold for general use in other temples but let me mess around with it, and see how it looks. --[[User:Qwerty|Qwerty]] 05:40, 4 August 2007 (BST)
 

Latest revision as of 11:49, 22 November 2009

To help save space and make browsing this page easier, older discussions will be archived here.

Open polls

None.

Closed polls

Please see this page for the archive of closed polls.

New template proposals

I'd like to formally propose the following templates for use with our articles on weapons, line shields and units.

And as an example, the Bow Genshi article is using all applicable templates. Going by the ideas that have been thrown around here and with the help of numerous people, these templates have been designed based on the idea of allowing as much automation as possible. Stat tables will update their layout depending on what type of weapon it's for. Where feasible, material quantities and types can be determined by an item's manufacturer and rarity and sell prices for items can be calculated with a simple equation using the item's buy price (when entered). The grinding info table has been updated to allow a single template to change based on the weapon type it's being used for. For example, identifying a table for an RCSM will change the attack variable to Tech. while the values for PP will all be filled in with hyphens.
So what do you guys think? - EspioKaos 10:25, 18 April 2008 (CDT)

  • I like the idea, but to be absolutely honest, these things confuse the hell out of me. That said, I'm sure I could figure them out if I needed to use them/had the time to look at the parameters more closely. --Qwerty 16:57, 18 April 2008 (CDT)
    • Some of those pages I need to go back over and expand on the parameter values and what to do with them. That should maybe clear some things up.  :) - EspioKaos 17:58, 18 April 2008 (CDT)
  • It'll be hell to convert all pages but that's a pretty nice work. Essen 16:59, 18 April 2008 (CDT)
    • If we go with them, we could always just use them for any new pages that we create and then work our way back over older articles and make conversions at our leisure. I wouldn't see much rush since aesthetically everything is pretty much the same. (A few small changes, but nothing that really sticks out.) And thanks again for the help. You helped introduce me to some awesome template functions that I've had a lot of fun playing with. XD - EspioKaos 17:58, 18 April 2008 (CDT)
  • Holy whoa. I love these! - Miraglyth 18:52, 19 April 2008 (CDT)
  • Cool, so I take it no major objections or anything. I'd like to start using these to work on some more weapon/line shield pages, so I think I'm going to move some over from the "test" name and commence conversion. (Normally I'm not too eager to work on the weapons pages since they can be quite time consuming, but with the tests I did with these, I found myself flying right through them.) - EspioKaos 21:41, 21 April 2008 (CDT)

User Page Guidelines

I'm still supportive of the user pages being open to what a person wants to put on it, but I have a few suggestions for possible requirements. One is that user pages shouldn't be categorized. This includes categories that don't and do exist. The others mostly concern links. If a user is going to link to a page, it should either exist or at least have a consistant spelling with a page that should exist (but hasn't been created yet). If the page has had it's link changed (or is different because of confirmed localization) and they know, they should update accordingly. Well...basically they should be aware of what's in red on their page and see if any of it is justified. If not, they should either correct the spelling or drop the link. It's going to become more and more of a problem for people working through the wanted pages. I've come upon countless situations myself where either something that's being linked shouldn't ever exist or is spelled wrong. It wouldn't matter much, but it would make it far easier to keep things clean and figure out what's needed instead of trying to sort through the current mess. S-T-H 03:38, 15 July 2008 (CDT)

  • I agree with your points but in the case of the links I wonder if a redirect wouldn't just do the job? It's going to be difficult to keep an eye on everyone linking to things on their user page. On another note, I wonder if we should consider making a welcome template to put on people's userpages after they make their first edit. It can have stuff like 'Don't make a billion consecutive edits' (since people seem to miss that, or ignore it) and other pointers. Thoughts (and sorry if I'm hijacking this, STH)? - Mewn 15:33, 20 July 2008 (CDT)
    • If you go to Special:Wantedpages you might be able to see better what I mean. Not counting the AOTI and PSP stuff that now appears at the end, the farther in you get the more nonsense you'll probably see. I have no problem with redirecting to obvious things, even though I wouldn't want too many redirects and that stuff usually redirects properly anyway (ie why redirect to a one off that's obviously wrong). The stuff that is an issue are things that are linked for no apparent reason whatsoever. It actually wouldn't be very difficult keeping track as long as Wanted Pages gets cleaned up. As for the welcome template I do agree. Oddly enough I think it was Amaury that brought something like that up in the forums. I'm guessing this would be something automatic? The only real reason I'm bringing this up is that Wanted Pages has been quite useful and can even be more useful in the future. It's just that it needs to be cleaned up in a way that isn't possible for most users (since it involves user pages). The only other solution I see is somehow excluding user pages from having an effect on what pages are listed as needing to be created. Maybe the search filter options could somehow be added to more special pages (so that it would be possible to see what's needed for psp or aoti pages specifically as well). S-T-H 20:47, 20 July 2008 (CDT)
  • Hm, yeah I see what you mean about the wanted page. And no, the template wouldn't be automatic, I don't think there's a way to do it automatically without upgrading our mediawiki or installing an extension. - Mewn 05:33, 21 July 2008 (CDT)

Use of wiki templates

Pre-made templates should always be used to save space and make writing articles easier. The following table compiles all templates that are currently in use at the PSUPedia and displays their effects to the right.

Aside from these templates, numerous larger templates have been created for use within articles for stat and information tables. A list of these can be found here.

New makeup for manual of style icons

You have the choice which is better yours or mine :) I won't edit anything big at the "front pages".

  • I think it looks good. I don't think you should worry too much about changing things like layout when it really doesn't affect the content, so cutting the charts into sections for space is probably fine. Remember to sign your comments too. --S-T-H 11:49, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
What you type What you get
{{Sword icon}}
Swords
{{Knuckles icon}}
Knuckles
{{Spear icon}}
Spears
{{Double saber icon}}
Double sabers
{{Axe icon}}
Axes
{{Twin saber icon}}
Twin sabers
{{Twin dagger icon}}
Twin daggers
{{Twin claw icon}}
Twin claws
{{Saber icon}}
Sabers
{{Dagger icon}}
Daggers
{{Claw icon}}
Claws
{{Whip icon}}
Whips
{{Slicer icon}}
Slicers
{{Rifle icon}}
Rifles
{{Shotgun icon}}
Shotguns
{{Longbow icon}}
Longbows
{{Grenade icon}}
Grenades
{{Laser cannon icon}}
Laser cannons
{{Twin handgun icon}}
Twin handguns
{{Handgun icon}}
Handguns
{{Crossbow icon}}
Crossbows
{{Card icon}}
Cards
{{Machinegun icon}}
Machineguns
{{RCSM icon}}
RCSMs
{{Rod icon}}
Rods
{{Wand icon}}
Wands
{{TCSM icon}}
TCSMs
{{Line shield icon}}
Line shields
{{Head unit icon}}
Head units
{{Arm unit icon}}
Arm units
{{Body unit icon}}
Body units
{{Extra unit icon}}
Extra units
What you type What you get
{{Logo-G}} G.R.M.
{{Logo-Y}} Yohmei
{{Logo-T}} TENORA WORKS
{{Logo-K}} Kubara Product
{{PSU version}} Phantasy Star Universe
{{AOTI version}} Ambition of the Illuminus
{{AOTI SU version}}
AOTI GAC.png
{{Color-C}} C-grade items
{{Color-B}} B-grade items
{{Color-A}} A-grade items
{{Color-S}} S-grade items (10-12★)
{{Color-S2}} S-grade items (13-15★)
{{JP item}} Japan-only items
{{Unreleased item}} Unreleased items
{{Rotational item}} Seasonal or temporary items
{{1 star}} Star-C.gifStar-Grey.gifStar-Grey.gifStar-Grey.gifStar-Grey.gifStar-Grey.gifStar-Grey.gifStar-Grey.gifStar-Grey.gifStar-Grey.gif
{{2 stars}} Star-C.gifStar-C.gifStar-Grey.gifStar-Grey.gifStar-Grey.gifStar-Grey.gifStar-Grey.gifStar-Grey.gifStar-Grey.gifStar-Grey.gif
{{3 stars}} Star-C.gifStar-C.gifStar-C.gifStar-Grey.gifStar-Grey.gifStar-Grey.gifStar-Grey.gifStar-Grey.gifStar-Grey.gifStar-Grey.gif
{{4 stars}} Star-C.gifStar-C.gifStar-C.gifStar-B.gifStar-Grey.gifStar-Grey.gifStar-Grey.gifStar-Grey.gifStar-Grey.gifStar-Grey.gif
{{5 stars}} Star-C.gifStar-C.gifStar-C.gifStar-B.gifStar-B.gifStar-Grey.gifStar-Grey.gifStar-Grey.gifStar-Grey.gifStar-Grey.gif
{{6 stars}} Star-C.gifStar-C.gifStar-C.gifStar-B.gifStar-B.gifStar-B.gifStar-Grey.gifStar-Grey.gifStar-Grey.gifStar-Grey.gif
{{7 stars}} Star-C.gifStar-C.gifStar-C.gifStar-B.gifStar-B.gifStar-B.gifStar-A.gifStar-Grey.gifStar-Grey.gifStar-Grey.gif
{{8 stars}} Star-C.gifStar-C.gifStar-C.gifStar-B.gifStar-B.gifStar-B.gifStar-A.gifStar-A.gifStar-Grey.gifStar-Grey.gif
{{9 stars}} Star-C.gifStar-C.gifStar-C.gifStar-B.gifStar-B.gifStar-B.gifStar-A.gifStar-A.gifStar-A.gifStar-Grey.gif
{{10 stars}} Star-C.gifStar-C.gifStar-C.gifStar-B.gifStar-B.gifStar-B.gifStar-A.gifStar-A.gifStar-A.gifStar-S.gif
{{11 stars}} Star-C.gifStar-C.gifStar-C.gifStar-B.gifStar-B.gifStar-B.gifStar-A.gifStar-A.gifStar-A.gifStar-S.gifStar-S.gif
{{12 stars}} Star-C.gifStar-C.gifStar-C.gifStar-B.gifStar-B.gifStar-B.gifStar-A.gifStar-A.gifStar-A.gifStar-S.gifStar-S.gifStar-S.gif
{{13 stars}} Star-C.gifStar-C.gifStar-C.gifStar-B.gifStar-B.gifStar-B.gifStar-A.gifStar-A.gifStar-A.gifStar-S.gifStar-S.gifStar-S.gifStar-S2.gif
{{14 stars}} Star-C.gifStar-C.gifStar-C.gifStar-B.gifStar-B.gifStar-B.gifStar-A.gifStar-A.gifStar-A.gifStar-S.gifStar-S.gifStar-S.gifStar-S2.gifStar-S2.gif
{{15 stars}} Star-C.gifStar-C.gifStar-C.gifStar-B.gifStar-B.gifStar-B.gifStar-A.gifStar-A.gifStar-A.gifStar-S.gifStar-S.gifStar-S.gifStar-S2.gifStar-S2.gifStar-S2.gif
What you type What you get
{{Crown}} Crown.gif
{{Sword}} Sword.gif
{{Shield}} Shield.gif
{{Boot}} Boot.gif
{{Staff}} Staff.gif
{{Neutral}} Neutral
{{Fire}} Fire
{{Ice}} Ice
{{Lightning}} Lightning
{{Ground}} Ground
{{Light}} Light
{{Dark}} Dark
{{C}}
C Rank
{{B}}
B Rank
{{A}}
A Rank
{{S}}
S Rank
{{Shirt icon}} Clothing top
{{Pants icon}} Clothing bottom
{{Shoes icon}} Shoes
{{Top set icon}} Top set
{{Bottom set icon}} Bottom set
{{Full set icon}} Full set
{{Arm icon}} Arm icon.gif
{{Torso icon}} Torso icon.gif
{{Leg icon}} Leg icon.gif
{{Full parts set icon}} Full parts set icon.gif
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