Difference between revisions of "PSU Cyril Wiki talk:Item drop templates"

Latest revision as of 15:00, 3 January 2008

Now that I've got my Perfect Bible...

I got my copy of the Perfect Bible a little earlier today, so I've started working on filling in the blanks in our drop templates. I'd like to point out a few things concerning certain drops. First, it looks like in certain cases, LV100+ is divided up into tiers of LV100-125 and LV125-149. The only enemy I've seen with such an arrangement is Armed Servant (Basta), but I haven't made it through the full list yet, so there might be more. Second, the book says that SEED-Magashi has no drops from LV1-99; at LV100+, he drops [B] Agito Repca and has a special drop of Agito Edge. Third, it's now confirmed as Bafal Bragga. It's a Kamatoze/Carriguine/Gainozeros clone thinger. I thought it might be a SEED-Form, but by the picture, it looks almost like it might be a Moatoob native. (Besides, that's the only planet that doesn't have one of this type of enemy.) It's a fire-elemental creature that has torches on its arms instead of blades like the others. It's riding on this creepy-looking bull thing. (Personally, I'm very pleased with this enemy's design.) Fourth... well, I can't think of anything else right now. - EspioKaos 12:29, 2 January 2008 (CST)

• As I'm sure was noticed, I made an ass-load of template updates last night by filling in and correcting things from the Perfect Bible. Going by its drop table section, I've got two and a half more pages left before I'm done (with the enemies). Then I'll have to get started on the area and boss drops. I meant to bring the book with me to work today, but I managed to leave it on my desk at home. I guess it's all for the better, though, as I've got a pretty big bid I'm working on right now. It's not due for a while, but I'd rather get it finished and out of the way. Anyway, when I get home later tonight, I'll see about completing the rest of the enemy drops tables and getting started on the others. - EspioKaos 09:00, 3 January 2008 (CST)

Enemy drops by tier, new information

• I don't have my copy of the AotI Perfect Bible yet, but a website I frequent posted a little snippet of information from it. This included the Bil De Melan drop templates I just created. Anyway, the new drop tables in the book seem to follow the same pattern we have (though LV80-99 is lumped together as one, just as they were in the original PB), but when it gets to LV100, it says that these drops range from LV100-149. As I see it, that could mean two things. One, enemies will never be higher in level than LV149, or two, LV150+ introduces a new drop tier. I'm thinking more toward the latter, but I guess we'll have to wait and see. Also, I should have my copy of the Perfect Bible next week or so. Once I get it, expect drop tables to be updated accordingly. - EspioKaos 08:16, 27 December 2007 (CST)
• I've checked out Shougai PSO as well, it also had a list of AoI fields, including some we've never seen before:
  • Dark Planet (暗黒惑星)
  • Illuminus Lab (イルミナス研究所)
  • Moatoob RELICS (モトゥブレリクス)
• These (and the PSO areas) are highlighted in red, so I assume they are fields for which free missions have not yet been released. I also noted Dark Plant (暗黒プラント) - is this the AMF HQ? Seems to fit, kinda... Additionally, there's Dark RELICS (暗黒レリクス) - this may well be the specific area Nest of Darkness takes place in, meaning that the Ryucross area name may have to be changed. - Mewn 08:39, 27 December 2007 (CST)
  • Yeah, I was just about to post that. XD And you're right, Nest of Darkness is in what they ID as Dark RELICS and Dark Plant is what we know as AMF Central Command. Illuminus Lab may end up being Il Cabo Base on Moatoob. Very interesting information. :) - EspioKaos 08:44, 27 December 2007 (CST)

Most templates created

• Alright, I've made templates for pretty much all of the released enemies. SEED-Magashi and Fulyen Curtz are the only ones (I think) I haven't made yet. Pardon the mass of "unknowns," but I figured it'd be best to get templates for all levels created, that way we can populate our drop tables with the appropriate templates as missions are released and then edit the templates when we find new drop info so we won't have to go back into each individual mission article to add the template to the table. Besides, I made them all minor edits so they can be easily sorted out of the recent changes page. Also, I was going to use the original Perfect Bible to fill in drop info since it has pretty much everything from LV1-99 on most enemies, but then I started to notice incorrect data in the book compared to what we've already collected. Drop data must've changed between when it was published and now, so I'm going to wait until I get my new Perfect Bible (should be within a few weeks) and hope that it has up-to-date tables with all of the new enemies included. Honestly, I don't see why it wouldn't. Anyway, I'll begin adding templates to mission drop tables soon. - EspioKaos 16:40, 24 December 2007 (CST)

Enemy names

• Great work on this, Mewn! I noticed that you've got names for some enemies that haven't even appeared in the Japanese version. Fruits of some data mining, perhaps?  ;) Mainly just curious if these are official names so I can make some updates elsewhere. - EspioKaos 12:20, 1 December 2007 (CST)

Spacing of drops

• I noticed that the Jaggo special drops were changed from being broken into separate lines to being listed on one line separated by commas. To be honest, I prefer the line-by-line. I think it just looks cleaner. Thoughts? - EspioKaos 12:20, 1 December 2007 (CST)

Mission drop table template

You may or may not have seen my experimenting with templates. The result is a nice drop table template that may be handy sometime. Have a look in my sandbox: http://psupedia.info/User:Au/Sandbox As you can see in the source you need only very little wiki code to build the table. Some restrictions apply, though:

• All monsters in the mission must be in the same drop tier (except for boss, that one's filled in seperately). I know there are a few missions where they're different (Cost of Research, and one of the shrooms missions) but as far as I know they're the exception, not the rule.
• Every monster - including those that appear only below or above level 50, must have all drop tiers filled in in their templates.
• Max. 10 different monster supported. Can have less. Support for more can be added if needed.

S2 level is optional, leave it empty and nothing will be there but the other levels have to be filled in.

Thoughts? -Au+

• I was wondering how that was going to turn out. To be honest, the mass of brackets all over the place frightened me! XD It looks nice, but I imagine it'd take me a while to switch over to using this, especially considering how comfortable I've become in using the table layout we already have. - EspioKaos 09:09, 7 December 2007 (CST)
  • The template source looks scary for sure ;) In any case I mostly did this to learn some new template tricks; I'm not entirely sure if this single-drop-tier thing works for all missions, pretty sure it does but maybe I'm overlooking stuff. If this is useful, great, but if it isn't, the knowledge I've gained will be; I've learned how to do optional template arguments now. But I think this may make a few drop tables a bit easier. Au+ 11:39, 7 December 2007 (CST)
    • The optional field thing is something I'm interested in learning to do, actually. I could use it for the mission infoboxes to get rid of fields that aren't needed, for example, the item exchange missions don't need an enemy element section. Could you point me in the direction of something showing how to do this? - EspioKaos 11:50, 7 December 2007 (CST)
      • I'll try to explain. First you need to know that you can use default arguments. You normally call a parameter like {{{param}}}. You can make it use a default parameter if none is given like this: {{{param|defaultvalue}}}. Next, there is the #ifeq: command. It checks 2 strings; if they're equal it does one thing, if they're not, another. It works like this: {{#ifeq: string1|string2|do this if equal|and this if not}}. So how do you use this to check if a parameter is given? Well, you compare the parameter with itself, but with different default arguments. So if the parameter is given, they will be equal, but if not, they will not be. For example this will show param if it's there, and '--' if it's not: {{#ifeq: {{{param|+}}}|{{{param|-}}}|{{{param}}}|--}}. Hope this is clear! Au+ 14:42, 7 December 2007 (CST)
  • I'm not sure, I'm very comfortable with the system we have now, and switching over to the new system may prove to be a bigger headache than continuing to use this system, which kinda defeats the object. However, since Espio is largely responsible for the mission templates I'll leave any decision to him. - Mewn 11:48, 7 December 2007 (CST)