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! colspan="2" | Item type !! LV C !! LV B !! LV A !! LV S !! LV S2 !! LV S3
 
! colspan="2" | Item type !! LV C !! LV B !! LV A !! LV S !! LV S2 !! LV S3
 
|-
 
|-
! rowspan="6" | Mats. !! {{Metal icon}}
+
! rowspan="3" | Cons. !! {{Food icon}}
| [[Harnium]] || ? || ? || ? || ? || ?
+
| [[Chocolat]] || {{JP item}} | [[Chocolat]] || {{Rotational item}} | [[Chocolat]] || {{Rotational item}} | [[Chocolat]] || {{Rotational item}} | [[Chocolat]] || {{Rotational item}} | [[Chocolat]]
 +
|-
 +
! {{Food icon}}
 +
| {{JP item}} | [[Spicia]] || {{JP item}} | [[Spicia]] || {{Rotational item}} | [[Spicia]] || {{Rotational item}} | [[Spicia]] || {{Rotational item}} | [[Spicia]] || {{Rotational item}} | [[Spicia]]
 +
|-
 +
! {{Food icon}}
 +
| {{JP item}} | [[Groovy Juice]] || {{JP item}} | [[Groovy Juice]] || {{Rotational item}} | [[Groovy Juice]] || {{Rotational item}} | [[Groovy Juice]] || {{Rotational item}} | [[Groovy Juice]] || {{JP item}} | [[Groovy Juice]]
 +
|-
 +
! rowspan="10" | Mats. !! {{Metal icon}}
 +
| [[Harnium]] || [[Harnium]] || ? || ? || ? || ?
 
|-
 
|-
 
! {{Metal icon}}
 
! {{Metal icon}}
| ? || ? || ? || ? || ? || ?
+
| {{JP item}} | [[Soldonium]] || {{JP item}} | [[Soldonium]] || ? || ? || ? || ?
 
|-
 
|-
 
! {{Metal icon}}
 
! {{Metal icon}}
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|-
 
|-
 
! {{Metal icon}}
 
! {{Metal icon}}
| ? || ? || ? || ? || ? || ?
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| ? || ? || ? || ? || ? || {{JP item}} | [[Catilium]]
 
|-
 
|-
 
! {{Gemstone icon}}
 
! {{Gemstone icon}}
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|-
 
|-
 
! {{Wood icon}}
 
! {{Wood icon}}
| ? || ? || ? || ? || ? || ?
+
| [[Mot Wood]] || {{JP item}} | [[Mot Wood]] || ? || ? || ? || ?
 +
|-
 +
! {{Wood icon}}
 +
| ? || [[Mot Ash]] || ? || ? || ? || ?
 +
|-
 +
! {{Wood icon}}
 +
| ? || ? || ? || ? || ? || {{JP item}} | [[Mot Ebon]]
 +
|-
 +
! {{Wood icon}}
 +
| ? || ? || ? || ? || ? || {{JP item}} | [[Mot Walna]]
 +
|-
 +
! {{Wood icon}}
 +
| {{Rotational item}} | [[Kubara Wood]] || [[Kubara Wood]] || {{Rotational item}} | [[Kubara Wood]] || {{Rotational item}} | [[Kubara Wood]] || {{Rotational item}} | [[Kubara Wood]] || {{Rotational item}} | [[Kubara Wood]]
 
|-
 
|-
 
! rowspan="1" | Deco. !! {{Decoration icon}}
 
! rowspan="1" | Deco. !! {{Decoration icon}}
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! colspan="2" | Item type !! LV C !! LV B !! LV A !! LV S !! LV S2 !! LV S3
 
! colspan="2" | Item type !! LV C !! LV B !! LV A !! LV S !! LV S2 !! LV S3
 
|-
 
|-
! rowspan="27" | Wpns. !! {{Sword icon}}
+
! rowspan="30" | Wpns. !! rowspan="2" | {{Sword icon}}
| ? || ? || ? || ? || ? || ?
+
| rowspan="2" | ? || rowspan="2" | ? || rowspan="2" | ? || {{JP item}} | [[Milias Sword]] {{JP version}} || rowspan="2" | ? || rowspan="2" | ?
 +
|-
 +
| {{Rotational item}} | [[Sob Streak]] {{360 version}}
 
|-
 
|-
 
! {{Knuckles icon}}
 
! {{Knuckles icon}}
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|-
 
|-
 
! {{Twin saber icon}}
 
! {{Twin saber icon}}
| [[Alseva Bonga]] || ? || ? || ? || ? || ?
+
| [[Alseva Bonga]] || ? || ? || {{JP item}} | [[Alseva Borga]] || {{JP item}} | [[Alsevacuc]] || ?
 
|-
 
|-
 
! {{Twin dagger icon}}
 
! {{Twin dagger icon}}
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|-
 
|-
 
! {{Rifle icon}}
 
! {{Rifle icon}}
| ? || ? || ? || ? || ? || ?
+
| ? || ? || ? || {{JP item}} | [[Missouri RX4]] {{JP version}} || {{JP item}} | [[Missouri RX4]] {{JP version}} || {{JP item}} | [[Missouri RX4]] {{JP version}}
 +
|-
 +
! {{Shotgun icon}}
 +
| {{JP item}} | [[Shigga Amza]] || ? || ? || {{JP item}} | [[Shigga Brada]] || {{JP item}} | [[Shigga Gronas]] {{JP version}} || {{JP item}} | [[Shigga Gronas]] {{JP version}}
 +
|-
 +
! {{Shotgun icon}}
 +
| {{JP item}} | [[Shigga Stam]] || ? || ? || {{JP item}} | [[Shigga Gronas]] {{JP version}} || {{JP item}} | [[Shigga Lampas]] {{JP version}} || {{JP item}} | [[Shigga Bines]]
 
|-
 
|-
 
! {{Shotgun icon}}
 
! {{Shotgun icon}}
| ? || ? || ? || ? || ? || ?
+
| ? || ? || ? || ? || ? || {{JP item}} | [[Shigga Lampas]] {{JP version}}
 
|-
 
|-
 
! {{Longbow icon}}
 
! {{Longbow icon}}
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|-
 
|-
 
! {{Grenade icon}}
 
! {{Grenade icon}}
| ? || ? || ? || ? || ? || ?
+
| ? || {{JP item}} | [[Gur Neda]] || {{JP item}} | [[Gur Missal]] || {{JP item}} | [[Gur Asted]] || ? || ?
 
|-
 
|-
 
! {{Laser cannon icon}}
 
! {{Laser cannon icon}}
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|-
 
|-
 
! {{Twin handgun icon}}
 
! {{Twin handgun icon}}
| ? || ? || ? || ? || ? || ?
+
| {{JP item}} | [[Arb Roga]] || ? || ? || ? || ? || ?
 
|-
 
|-
 
! {{Handgun icon}}
 
! {{Handgun icon}}
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|-
 
|-
 
! {{Crossbow icon}}
 
! {{Crossbow icon}}
| ? || ? || ? || ? || ? || ?
+
| ? || ? || ? || {{JP item}} | [[Cubo Upinde]] || {{JP item}} | [[Cubo Mamba]] || {{JP item}} | [[Cubo Musrana]]
 
|-
 
|-
 
! {{Card icon}}
 
! {{Card icon}}
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|-
 
|-
 
! {{RCSM icon}}
 
! {{RCSM icon}}
| ? || ? || ? || ? || ? || ?
+
| {{JP item}} | [[Shag Shij]] || ? || {{JP item}} | [[Shag Azza]] || ? || ? || ?
 
|-
 
|-
 
! {{Rod icon}}
 
! {{Rod icon}}
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|-
 
|-
 
! {{Wand icon}}
 
! {{Wand icon}}
| ? || ? || ? || ? || ? || ?
+
| ? || ? || ? || ? || ? || {{JP item}} | [[Zero Cane]] {{JP version}}
 
|-
 
|-
 
! {{TCSM icon}}
 
! {{TCSM icon}}
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| ? || ? || ? || ? || ? || ?
 
| ? || ? || ? || ? || ? || ?
 
|-
 
|-
! rowspan="4" | Units !! {{Head unit icon}}
+
! rowspan="6" | Units !! {{Head unit icon}}
 
| ? || ? || ? || ? || ? || ?
 
| ? || ? || ? || ? || ? || ?
 
|-
 
|-
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|-
 
|-
 
! {{Body unit icon}}
 
! {{Body unit icon}}
| ? || ? || ? || ? || ? || ?
+
| ? || ? || {{JP item}} | [[Tero / Guard]] || {{JP item}} | [[Tero / Guard]] || {{JP item}} | [[Orpad / Guard]] || {{JP item}} | [[Orpad / Guard]]
 +
|-
 +
! {{Body unit icon}}
 +
| ? || ? || ? || ? || ? || {{JP item}} | [[Lumirus / Wall]]
 +
|-
 +
! {{Body unit icon}}
 +
| {{Rotational item}} | [[Sleep / Resist]] || {{Rotational item}} | [[Sleep / Resist]] || {{Rotational item}} | [[Sleep / Resist]] || {{JP item}} | [[Sleep / Resist]] || {{Rotational item}} | [[Sleep / Resist]] || {{JP item}} | [[Sleep / Resist]]
 
|-
 
|-
 
! {{Extra unit icon}}
 
! {{Extra unit icon}}
| ? || ? || ? || ? || ? || ?
+
| ? || ? || ? || ? || ? || {{JP item}} | [[Fighting Spirit]] {{JP version}}
 
|-
 
|-
 
! rowspan="11" | Mats. !! {{Metal icon}}
 
! rowspan="11" | Mats. !! {{Metal icon}}
| [[Harnium]] || ? || [[Harnium]] || ? || ? || ?
+
| [[Harnium]] || [[Harnium]] || [[Harnium]] || ? || ? || ?
 
|-
 
|-
 
! {{Metal icon}}
 
! {{Metal icon}}
| ? || ? || ? || ? || ? || ?
+
| [[Soldonium]] || {{JP item}} | [[Soldonium]] || {{JP item}} | [[Soldonium]] || ? || ? || ?
 
|-
 
|-
 
! {{Metal icon}}
 
! {{Metal icon}}
| ? || ? || [[Stelnium]] || ? || ? || ?
+
| ? || {{JP item}} | [[Stelnium]] || [[Stelnium]] || ? || ? || ?
 
|-
 
|-
 
! {{Metal icon}}
 
! {{Metal icon}}
| ? || ? || ? || ? || ? || ?
+
| ? || ? || ? || ? || ? || {{JP item}} | [[Catilium]]
 
|-
 
|-
 
! {{Biomaterial icon}}
 
! {{Biomaterial icon}}
| [[Note Seed]] || ? || [[Note Seed]] || ? || ? || ?
+
| [[Note Seed]] || [[Note Seed]] || [[Note Seed]] || {{Rotational item}} | [[Note Seed]] || {{Rotational item}} | [[Note Seed]] || {{Rotational item}} | [[Note Seed]]
 
|-
 
|-
 
! {{Gemstone icon}}
 
! {{Gemstone icon}}
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|-
 
|-
 
! {{Wood icon}}
 
! {{Wood icon}}
| [[Mot Wood]] || ? || ? || ? || ? || ?
+
| [[Mot Wood]] || [[Mot Wood]] || {{JP item}} | [[Mot Wood]] || ? || ? || ?
 
|-
 
|-
 
! {{Wood icon}}
 
! {{Wood icon}}
| [[Mot Ash]] || ? || [[Mot Ash]] || ? || ? || ?
+
| [[Mot Ash]] || {{JP item}} | [[Mot Ash]] || [[Mot Ash]] || ? || ? || ?
 
|-
 
|-
 
! {{Wood icon}}
 
! {{Wood icon}}
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|-
 
|-
 
! {{Wood icon}}
 
! {{Wood icon}}
| ? || ? || ? || ? || ? || ?
+
| ? || ? || ? || ? || ? || {{JP item}} | [[Mot Walna]]
 
|-
 
|-
 
! {{Wood icon}}
 
! {{Wood icon}}
| ? || ? || ? || ? || ? || ?
+
| {{JP item}} | [[Kubara Wood]] || {{Rotational item}} | [[Kubara Wood]] || {{Rotational item}} | [[Kubara Wood]] || {{Rotational item}} | [[Kubara Wood]] || {{Rotational item}} | [[Kubara Wood]] || {{Rotational item}} | [[Kubara Wood]]
 
|-
 
|-
 
! rowspan="1" | Deco. !! {{Decoration icon}}
 
! rowspan="1" | Deco. !! {{Decoration icon}}
| ? || ? || ? || ? || ? || ?
+
| {{JP item}} | [[Container]] || [[Container]] || {{Rotational item}} | [[Container]] || {{Rotational item}} | [[Container]] || {{Rotational item}} | [[Container]] || {{Rotational item}} | [[Container]]
 
|-
 
|-
! rowspan="28" | {{Board icon}} !! {{Sword icon}}
+
! rowspan="31" | {{Board icon}} !! {{Sword icon}}
 
| ? || ? || ? || ? || ? || ?
 
| ? || ? || ? || ? || ? || ?
 
|-
 
|-
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|-
 
|-
 
! {{Spear icon}}
 
! {{Spear icon}}
| ? || ? || ? || ? || ? || ?
+
| [[Mukpat|[B] Mukpat]] || ? || ? || {{JP item}} | [[Mukfet|[B] Mukfet]] || ? || ?
 
|-
 
|-
 
! {{Double saber icon}}
 
! {{Double saber icon}}
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|-
 
|-
 
! {{Rifle icon}}
 
! {{Rifle icon}}
| ? || ? || ? || ? || ? || ?
+
| ? || ? || ? || ? || {{JP item}} | [[Rattlesnake|[B] Rattlesnake]] || ?
 +
|-
 +
! {{Shotgun icon}}
 +
| {{JP item}} | [[Shigga Amza|[B] Shigga Amza]] || ? || ? || ? || {{JP item}} | [[Shigga Baret|[B] Shigga Baret]] || ?
 
|-
 
|-
 
! {{Shotgun icon}}
 
! {{Shotgun icon}}
| ? || ? || ? || ? || ? || ?
+
| {{JP item}} | [[Shigga Stam|[B] Shigga Stam]] || ? || ? || ? || ? || ?
 
|-
 
|-
 
! {{Longbow icon}}
 
! {{Longbow icon}}
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|-
 
|-
 
! {{Grenade icon}}
 
! {{Grenade icon}}
| ? || ? || ? || ? || ? || ?
+
| ? || ? || ? || ? || {{JP item}} | [[Gur Asted|[B] Gur Asted]] || {{JP item}} | [[Gur Asted|[B] Gur Asted]]
 
|-
 
|-
 
! {{Laser cannon icon}}
 
! {{Laser cannon icon}}
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|-
 
|-
 
! {{Twin handgun icon}}
 
! {{Twin handgun icon}}
| ? || ? || ? || ? || ? || ?
+
| {{JP item}} | [[Arb Oga|[B] Arb Oga]] || {{JP item}} | [[Arb Roga|[B] Arb Roga]] || ? || ? || ? || ?
 
|-
 
|-
 
! {{Handgun icon}}
 
! {{Handgun icon}}
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|-
 
|-
 
! {{Crossbow icon}}
 
! {{Crossbow icon}}
| ? || ? || ? || ? || ? || ?
+
| ? || ? || ? || ? || ? || {{JP item}} | [[Cubo Upinde|[B] Cubo Upinde]]
 
|-
 
|-
 
! {{Card icon}}
 
! {{Card icon}}
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|-
 
|-
 
! {{Machinegun icon}}
 
! {{Machinegun icon}}
| ? || ? || ? || ? || ? || ?
+
| {{JP item}} | [[Magga Gres|[B] Magga Gres]] || ? || ? || ? || ? || ?
 
|-
 
|-
 
! {{RCSM icon}}
 
! {{RCSM icon}}
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|-
 
|-
 
! {{Line shield icon}}
 
! {{Line shield icon}}
| ? || ? || ? || ? || ? || ?
+
| [[Rabol Stella|[B] Rabol Stella]] || ? || ? || ? || ? || {{JP item}} | [[Rabol Asted|[B] Rabol Asted]]
 +
|-
 +
! {{Line shield icon}}
 +
| {{JP item}} | [[Rabol Mega|[B] Rabol Mega]] || ? || ? || ? || ? || {{JP item}} | [[Rabol Cati|[B] Rabol Cati]]
 +
|-
 +
! {{Line shield icon}}
 +
| [[Rabol Welda|[B] Rabol Welda]] || [[Rabol Welda|[B] Rabol Welda]] || ? || ? || ? || ?
 
|}
 
|}

Latest revision as of 16:27, 6 June 2012

Box drop research

  • The purpose of this article is to collect data on items that drop from boxes both mid- and post-mission. When filling in drop data, please take care that you add items to the correct chart, row (item type) and column (mission difficulty). If you are unsure of how to do this or don't feel like messing with wiki coding, please feel free to add a comment below the table with your findings and we'll add it for you. (Be sure to state the mission difficulty so that data is added properly. Also, sign your comment by adding ~~~~ after it.)
  • We use a color-coding system to identify certain drops in these tables. Here is what each background color means:
    • White: The standard background color identifies drops that contributors have personally confirmed.
    • Blue: Drops which have been identified by outside sources (such as the JP wiki or Japanese player blogs) but have not been confirmed by a contributor will be identified by a blue background.
    • Gray: A gray background is used for drops which are assumed. For example, if the same item drops on both the lowest and highest mission difficulty, it is generally safe to assume that all intermediate difficulties will offer the same drop.

Normal boxes

Item type LV C LV B LV A LV S LV S2 LV S3
Cons. Food Chocolat Chocolat Chocolat Chocolat Chocolat Chocolat
Food Spicia Spicia Spicia Spicia Spicia Spicia
Food Groovy Juice Groovy Juice Groovy Juice Groovy Juice Groovy Juice Groovy Juice
Mats. Metal Harnium Harnium  ?  ?  ?  ?
Metal Soldonium Soldonium  ?  ?  ?  ?
Metal  ?  ?  ?  ?  ?  ?
Metal  ?  ?  ?  ?  ? Catilium
Gemstone  ?  ?  ?  ?  ?  ?
Wood Mot Wood Mot Wood  ?  ?  ?  ?
Wood  ? Mot Ash  ?  ?  ?  ?
Wood  ?  ?  ?  ?  ? Mot Ebon
Wood  ?  ?  ?  ?  ? Mot Walna
Wood Kubara Wood Kubara Wood Kubara Wood Kubara Wood Kubara Wood Kubara Wood
Deco. Room decoration  ?  ?  ?  ?  ?  ?

Magas Maggahna

Item type LV C LV B LV A LV S LV S2 LV S3
Wpns.
Swords
 ?  ?  ? Milias Sword Japanese version  ?  ?
Sob Streak Xbox 360 version
Knuckles
 ?  ?  ?  ?  ?  ?
Spears
 ?  ?  ?  ?  ?  ?
Double sabers
 ?  ?  ?  ?  ?  ?
Axes
 ?  ?  ?  ?  ?  ?
Twin sabers
Alseva Bonga  ?  ? Alseva Borga Alsevacuc  ?
Twin daggers
 ?  ?  ?  ?  ?  ?
Twin claws
 ?  ?  ?  ?  ?  ?
Sabers
 ?  ?  ?  ?  ?  ?
Daggers
 ?  ?  ?  ?  ?  ?
Claws
 ?  ?  ?  ?  ?  ?
Whips
 ?  ?  ?  ?  ?  ?
Slicers
 ?  ?  ?  ?  ?  ?
Rifles
 ?  ?  ? Missouri RX4 Japanese version Missouri RX4 Japanese version Missouri RX4 Japanese version
Shotguns
Shigga Amza  ?  ? Shigga Brada Shigga Gronas Japanese version Shigga Gronas Japanese version
Shotguns
Shigga Stam  ?  ? Shigga Gronas Japanese version Shigga Lampas Japanese version Shigga Bines
Shotguns
 ?  ?  ?  ?  ? Shigga Lampas Japanese version
Longbows
 ?  ?  ?  ?  ?  ?
Grenades
 ? Gur Neda Gur Missal Gur Asted  ?  ?
Laser cannons
 ?  ?  ?  ?  ?  ?
Twin handguns
Arb Roga  ?  ?  ?  ?  ?
Handguns
 ?  ?  ?  ?  ?  ?
Crossbows
 ?  ?  ? Cubo Upinde Cubo Mamba Cubo Musrana
Cards
 ?  ?  ?  ?  ?  ?
Machineguns
 ?  ?  ?  ?  ?  ?
RCSMs
Shag Shij  ? Shag Azza  ?  ?  ?
Rods
 ?  ?  ?  ?  ?  ?
Wands
 ?  ?  ?  ?  ? Zero Cane Japanese version
TCSMs
 ?  ?  ?  ?  ?  ?
LS
Line shields
 ?  ?  ?  ?  ?  ?
Units
Head units
 ?  ?  ?  ?  ?  ?
Arm units
 ?  ?  ?  ?  ?  ?
Body units
 ?  ? Tero / Guard Tero / Guard Orpad / Guard Orpad / Guard
Body units
 ?  ?  ?  ?  ? Lumirus / Wall
Body units
Sleep / Resist Sleep / Resist Sleep / Resist Sleep / Resist Sleep / Resist Sleep / Resist
Extra units
 ?  ?  ?  ?  ? Fighting Spirit Japanese version
Mats. Metal Harnium Harnium Harnium  ?  ?  ?
Metal Soldonium Soldonium Soldonium  ?  ?  ?
Metal  ? Stelnium Stelnium  ?  ?  ?
Metal  ?  ?  ?  ?  ? Catilium
Biomaterial Note Seed Note Seed Note Seed Note Seed Note Seed Note Seed
Gemstone  ?  ?  ?  ?  ?  ?
Wood Mot Wood Mot Wood Mot Wood  ?  ?  ?
Wood Mot Ash Mot Ash Mot Ash  ?  ?  ?
Wood  ?  ? Mot Ebon  ?  ?  ?
Wood  ?  ?  ?  ?  ? Mot Walna
Wood Kubara Wood Kubara Wood Kubara Wood Kubara Wood Kubara Wood Kubara Wood
Deco. Room decoration Container Container Container Container Container Container
Synthesis board
Swords
 ?  ?  ?  ?  ?  ?
Knuckles
 ?  ?  ?  ?  ?  ?
Spears
[B] Mukpat  ?  ? [B] Mukfet  ?  ?
Double sabers
 ?  ?  ?  ?  ?  ?
Axes
 ?  ?  ?  ?  ?  ?
Twin sabers
 ?  ?  ?  ?  ?  ?
Twin daggers
 ?  ?  ?  ?  ?  ?
Twin claws
 ?  ?  ?  ?  ?  ?
Sabers
 ?  ?  ?  ?  ?  ?
Daggers
 ?  ?  ?  ?  ?  ?
Claws
 ?  ?  ?  ?  ?  ?
Whips
 ?  ?  ?  ?  ?  ?
Slicers
 ?  ?  ?  ?  ?  ?
Rifles
 ?  ?  ?  ? [B] Rattlesnake  ?
Shotguns
[B] Shigga Amza  ?  ?  ? [B] Shigga Baret  ?
Shotguns
[B] Shigga Stam  ?  ?  ?  ?  ?
Longbows
 ?  ?  ?  ?  ?  ?
Grenades
 ?  ?  ?  ? [B] Gur Asted [B] Gur Asted
Laser cannons
 ?  ?  ?  ?  ?  ?
Twin handguns
[B] Arb Oga [B] Arb Roga  ?  ?  ?  ?
Handguns
 ?  ?  ?  ?  ?  ?
Crossbows
 ?  ?  ?  ?  ? [B] Cubo Upinde
Cards
 ?  ?  ?  ?  ?  ?
Machineguns
[B] Magga Gres  ?  ?  ?  ?  ?
RCSMs
 ?  ?  ?  ?  ?  ?
Rods
 ?  ?  ?  ?  ?  ?
Wands
 ?  ?  ?  ?  ?  ?
TCSMs
 ?  ?  ?  ?  ?  ?
Line shields
[B] Rabol Stella  ?  ?  ?  ? [B] Rabol Asted
Line shields
[B] Rabol Mega  ?  ?  ?  ? [B] Rabol Cati
Line shields
[B] Rabol Welda [B] Rabol Welda  ?  ?  ?  ?